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judy:
Self preservation was born in us, it is one of the strongest feelings we have. Is this not from God our Creator, is this carnal or what?? I'm sorry but I would defend my family with everything I had and if it was God's will I pay for this, so be it. If it is a great sin, so be it. I am not saying it is right but I would defend myself and others also.
wat:
Jesus hid from the Jews many times.
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad."
Joh 8:57 So the Jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?"
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."
Joh 8:59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
They must have been incredibly angry to hear a man declare himself "I am." Jesus hid himself and got away from them. Just because someone wants to kill you, doesn't mean you have to let them. It also doesn't mean you have to kill them first. Kat brings up some good scriptures and Alex brought up a good passage. God will protect His people.
As Dennis said in another thread, "Trust God but wear your seatbelt." Wearing a literal seatbelt doesn't mean you don't trust God to protect you in a car accident, it's just being smart. John mentioned in a recent thread (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,16319.msg147475.html#msg147475), Paul used his Roman citizenship to avoid a beating. He didn't just sit there and take it. He was smart and said "Is it lawful for you to flog a man who is a Roman citizen and uncondemned?" (Acts 22:25)
Dave in Tenn:
"Though He slay me, yet will I serve Him."
I can't put the sermon on the mount on every person in the world, in every situation. But as God gives me grace, I want more and more to do as He said, regardless of cost.
Kat:
--- Quote from: judy on November 22, 2015, 02:35:32 PM ---Self preservation was born in us, it is one of the strongest feelings we have. Is this not from God our Creator, is this carnal or what?? I'm sorry but I would defend my family with everything I had and if it was God's will I pay for this, so be it. If it is a great sin, so be it. I am not saying it is right but I would defend myself and others also.
--- End quote ---
Hi Judy, I know it seems irrational to stand by and not try to stop a person intent on a crime, that is certainly not the way of this world. We are a nation full of people armed and ready to protect what is theirs. Even people that are not for owning a gun would fight somebody wanting to steal their stuff or do harm to them, it just seems logical. But as Loc pointed out it is not wrong to get out of the way of danger, to hid from it, not present ourselves as a sacrifice or something. But to fight against the wickedness in this world is not a battle WE need to or should engage in. God has this age just as He wants it and for those few He is calling out of it He does not want us to fight against what He has determined to be.
When Jesus gave the sermon of the mount He continued on to give many examples of the ways this world/age and how He is teaching His disciples/believers/elect to be different, to separate from the ways of the world.
Mat 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
This is the way of the world, "hate your enemy" stop them and beat them down and be superior over them. Now look at what Jesus says is how we should be.
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
v. 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
This age is already determination what it will be, "He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good," we should not fight against what God has already ordained... and why would we? So we can keep all our stuff, the physical things we have accumulated... isn't everything we have a blessing FROM God?
But our natural desire to survive, and that is given to us very strongly, it is in opposition to just standing back and letting things happen, not to fight somebody. No our human nature is to beat them and give them exactly what they are giving us. Again that is the way of this world, to resist, to struggle, to fight evil as if we can change what is to be.
Mat 5:38 "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
v. 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Well then certainly we should fight attackers to save our lives or those of our loved ones?
Mat 6:26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
v. 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?
Job 14:5 The length of our lives is decided beforehand--- the number of months we will live. You have settled it, and it can't be changed. (GNB)
If we truly believe that God is sovereign then we would know and would not resist how things are, but accept whatever God has planned for us and our loved ones and not try to fight against what is predetermined, like we can determine anything anyway. Certainly we are given minds to reason when to leave or get out of the way of danger if we can. We are not to be like this world, we are peculiar which means - 1: belonging exclusively to one person or group 2: characteristic, distinctive.
2Cor 6:17 Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you,
v. 18 and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty."
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people.
v. 12 It trains us to renounce ungodly living and worldly passions so that we might live sensible, honest, and godly lives in the present age
v. 13 as we wait for the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus the Messiah.
v. 14 He gave Himself for us to set us free from every wrong and to cleanse us so that we could be His special (peculiar) people who are enthusiastic about doing good deeds. (ISV)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lareli:
Nelson (or anyone) can you post the link to where Ray said what is quoted in the original post? The quote about the gun /Rottweiler..
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