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"So - Is there any difference?"
Dave in Tenn:
True enough, Jeff...and one failing is not the end of life for everyone. He is reconciling ALL THINGS unto Himself and has GIVEN TO US the ministry of reconciliation. Who's "US"? Those who have done what He says.
But ONE DAY the world will be judged and ruled by those who have not said unto Him "Lord, Lord" but have done the things He said. No more scattered 'inspiring moral examples' giving courage to a few, but those who will have 'received the promise', having "endured to the end", ruling and reigning with Christ.
Jeff:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on December 03, 2015, 07:32:10 PM ---True enough, Jeff...and one failing is not the end of life for everyone. He is reconciling ALL THINGS unto Himself and has GIVEN TO US the ministry of reconciliation. Who's "US"? Those who have done what He says.
But ONE DAY the world will be judged and ruled by those who have not said unto Him "Lord, Lord" but have done the things He said. No more scattered 'inspiring moral examples' giving courage to a few, but those who will have 'received the promise', having "endured to the end", ruling and reigning with Christ.
--- End quote ---
Dave,
Exactly! :)
indianabob:
All helpful comments that help us to grow in grace and knowledge.
I hope we all can realize that God can and does forgive every sin; no exceptions.
Therefore in many cases the most difficult thing to grasp is to be able to forgive ourselves: even 70 times 7. (matthew 18:21-22
Consider what the apostle Saul/Paul had to live with from his past and how God was able to use him.
Maybe forgiving ourselves is the hardest part of the repentance program to come to terms with. Mostly because we find it so hard to forgive others the terrible things they have done against ourselves or against humanity.
1 Cor 10:13
12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall. 13 No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.
lauriellen:
I thought this quote from a friend was worth sharing for your consideration:
"I'm going to take another shot at this, so that I can make myself clear....and because I love my pacifist brothers and sisters dearly.
If an attacker is threatening the life of my wife, I will do what I must to stop him, using the least amount of force necessary, and thinking of him as if he were my own *son, whom I love.
I believe that the use of force is sinful, but not as sinful as it would be to become an accomplice to the murder of my wife by my passivity.
I am not justifying the use of force. I'm saying, when all the options are bad, pick the one that is the least bad. This does not therefore make the option good. It remains bad. Just not as bad as the others."-Daniel Skillman
.....just thought it was worth considering. And again, this doesn't change the fact that I think it's wrong. I just don't think it's *as wrong as the other alternatives.
lauriellen
Extol:
--- Quote from: lauriellen on December 05, 2015, 06:49:07 AM ---I thought this quote from a friend was worth sharing for your consideration:
"I'm going to take another shot at this, so that I can make myself clear....and because I love my pacifist brothers and sisters dearly.
If an attacker is threatening the life of my wife, I will do what I must to stop him, using the least amount of force necessary, and thinking of him as if he were my own *son, whom I love.
I believe that the use of force is sinful, but not as sinful as it would be to become an accomplice to the murder of my wife by my passivity.
I am not justifying the use of force. I'm saying, when all the options are bad, pick the one that is the least bad. This does not therefore make the option good. It remains bad. Just not as bad as the others."-Daniel Skillman
.....just thought it was worth considering. And again, this doesn't change the fact that I think it's wrong. I just don't think it's *as wrong as the other alternatives.
lauriellen
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This sounds pretty reasonable to me, but as others have pointed out, we can't really plan what we would do, or know for sure what we would do. But God does know, and that's the important thing. Therefore I hope I would spend less time fretting over how much force I'd use to protect my wife, and more time asking God to lead me in the paths of righteousness.
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