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how old is the earth
zvezda:
This 3-minute animation will change your perception of time 8) ;)
http://www.businessinsider.com/animated-timeline-earth-history-2015-11
indianabob:
Sorry Zvezda,
The whole piece is based on false premises. Non-valid presumptions. In a Carl Sagan system of "billions and billions of years".
1. Sulfur and Sulfates created by near infra-red light striking rocks on the earth or being converted by the FIRST replicating single cell organisms. Where did the FIRST organisms originate from? Out of the previously FORMED rocks? Then cyanobacteria EMERGE? Emerge from what?
Totally false and illogical.
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Long periods of time do NOT account for any part of creation.
We may agree that God could have taken as long as God wanted to perform the miracles we live with every day, but it is presumptuous to insist that God needed long periods of time.
I don't believe a word of it.
Indiana Bob
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: indianabob on November 26, 2015, 11:41:24 PM ---Sorry Zvezda,
The whole piece is based on false premises. Non-valid presumptions. In a Carl Sagan system of "billions and billions of years".
1. Sulfur and Sulfates created by near infra-red light striking rocks on the earth or being converted by the FIRST replicating single cell organisms. Where did the FIRST organisms originate from? Out of the previously FORMED rocks? Then cyanobacteria EMERGE? Emerge from what?
Totally false and illogical.
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Long periods of time do NOT account for any part of creation.
We may agree that God could have taken as long as God wanted to perform the miracles we live with every day, but it is presumptuous to insist that God needed long periods of time.
I don't believe a word of it.
Indiana Bob
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Did you ever watch ray's study on the age earth and the 'global' flood?
All the science and the scriptures point to a very very old (~4.6bill yrs old) earth.
See rays discussion on the age of the earth for some of those scriptures.
God bless,
Alex
zvezda:
--- Quote from: indianabob on November 26, 2015, 11:41:24 PM ---Sorry Zvezda,
The whole piece is based on false premises. Non-valid presumptions. In a Carl Sagan system of "billions and billions of years".
1. Sulfur and Sulfates created by near infra-red light striking rocks on the earth or being converted by the FIRST replicating single cell organisms. Where did the FIRST organisms originate from? Out of the previously FORMED rocks? Then cyanobacteria EMERGE? Emerge from what?
Totally false and illogical.
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Long periods of time do NOT account for any part of creation.
We may agree that God could have taken as long as God wanted to perform the miracles we live with every day, but it is presumptuous to insist that God needed long periods of time.
I don't believe a word of it.
Indiana Bob
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Hi iBob, I think the main piint of the video is to tell us the timeline of the major events on earth. It just tells us "when" but not "how". No one knows what are the origins of life and how things went from non-living to living. Neither the sciencists nor the video claim to know it.
I tihnk Ray said the creation was done at Genesis 1:1, and then God made everything in 6 days (yoms).
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created (H1254 - bara) the heaven and the earth.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made (H6213 - asah) heaven and earth
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8385.msg68317.html#msg68317
I want to show you something very interesting, these are the things that require meditation and study these things don’t just pop out at you on the first or the thirty or fortieth reading.
This person that I have been quoting from, all this nonsense. He says, ‘well there are those that say Genesis 1:1-2 happened ages before verse 3, they call it the gap theory.’ No actually the ‘gap theory’ is not that. But the fact of the matter is that you get a big period of time between verses 1-2 and verse 3.
You know Moses informs us that the heavens were created at the same time as the earth and then he tells us in Exodus 20;
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth…
They will tell you, ‘see it’s all the same thing. So the heavens and earth were made in the six days. In a portion of one of the six days the earth was created. In a portion of those six days, because he tells us in Exodus “For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth.” In Gen. we have “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” and if He made them in six days then it has got to be in one of those six days. ’ Well I already showed you that the words are not “create” (Gen. 1:1) and “create” (Ex. 20:11), it’s “created” and “made.”
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created (H1254 - bara) the heaven and the earth.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made (H6213 - asah) heaven and earth
Everything was created from which He was then going to make, the raw materials if you will.
Gen 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made (asah), and, behold, it was very good.
Then when we read in verse 31 of all that God created for making, when He bara for asah, you see. He created for making, so He did not create the heavens and earth in six days. In six days He made the heavens and the earth as they now are, from what He had already created, millions or billions of years earlier in verse one.
indianabob:
Zvezda and friends,
There are a lot of, mysterious to us, views of creation to discuss here.
However we are not to teach other views or cause divisions among ourselves or confusion among the thousands of guests that read this forum. So I will limit my remarks to this.
All the work that Ray did regarding belief in God and true understanding of scripture was to a high level inspired by God and by previous teachings found in the Bible. Along this line I have noticed that Ray has stated and most of us have agreed that the popular church organizations have been and still are teaching error. Error that is established as factual truth in their own minds. The deceived do not know...
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Therefore it amazes me that when it comes to science and scientific theories of men, that great credence is given by many on the forum to so many of those theories that in fact are just as much the fruit of fallible men's thinking as is the teachings of the many church organizations.
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God has dribbled out a portion of understanding of HIS creation to scientist over the centuries to insure HIS own plans are carried out. In similar manner God dribbled out his plans for the salvation of all of mankind to HIS called out servants.
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The 12 apostles did not know how God's plan with Jesus would work out until it happened, even after Jesus told them part of it. They didn't need to know because God was in charge and in control.
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Why should we believe that men of science are any less self promoting and confused about the true facts than are the thousands of churchmen who teach error? Every man doing what seems right to themselves.
I think that if we examine the various accepted teaching of secular science with the same degree of diligence that Ray Smith applied to his examination of the false teachings of organized religion we would realize that they, the scientist, are just as ignorant in many instances as the churchmen have been proven to be.
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Theories that become popular due to wide publication are not valid due to their acceptance by puny mortal men.
e.g. we know a lot about the operation of the animal kingdom and the human anatomy because we have physical examples at hand to examine and experiment with and test for correct understanding. We have none of that type of example at hand when it comes to astrophysics. It is all speculation!
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We measure the speed of light in our solar system under steady state, controlled conditions and presume that we have discovered a LAW that the speed of light is the maximum velocity possible in the Universe. We further state that God cannot break HIS own law of physics which by the way God instituted for the continuous operation of the environment God provided for the building of His family here on planet Earth, so then all data observed in the study of astrophysics must adhere to our poor understanding of local conditions.
Scientific research and its publication is as much a philosophy as every religion. It is mostly a stab in the dark and will eventually be exposed for the error it contains just as are the various religions.
That doesn't mean we quit trying to learn...
Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter. 3 As the heavens for height and the earth for depth, So the heart of kings is unsearchable.…
I'm willing to pursue this topic on private email if anyone is interested.
Prove all things and hold fast to that which is true and uplifting.
Kindly offered, Indiana Bob
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