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Kat:

--- Quote from: largeli on December 01, 2015, 03:03:54 PM ---Also much can be learned in Gideons words when Israel wanted him to rule over them... "I will not rule over you, nor shall my son rule over you; The Lord shall rule over you." It's scary to our flesh to be led and ruled by God whom we can't physically see or audibly hear. It can feel like we're leading ourselves.. But if we're becoming one with God and we have the mind of Christ then isn't it supposed to feel like we are leading ourselves? I mean, as the old man gets pushed more and more into the background of ourselves and the new man is growing into Christ's image?
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But the Son came into the world and He was seen and heard and He left that record in Scripture for us. The Scripture can come alive if you see/feel the Spirit in them. The words of Scripture are just like Christ speaking to me and we can 'know' Christ, if we can believe what it says.

1Co 2:14  and the natural man doth not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for to him they are foolishness, and he is not able to know them, because spiritually they are discerned;
v. 15  and he who is spiritual, doth discern indeed all things, and he himself is by no one discerned;
v. 16  for who did know the mind of the Lord that he shall instruct Him? and we--we have the mind of Christ. (Young's)

To me this is the opposite of "leading ourselves," I have no, absolutely zero trust in myself, it is the Spirit that leads us, there is a difference and you can sense it.  It is kind of a strange feeling to know Christ is in control of you, but a wonderful freeing feeling as well.

Matt 11:27  All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
v. 28  Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
v. 29  Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
v. 30  For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."

Matt 6:31  "Therefore do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?'
v. 32  For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
v. 33  But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
v. 34  Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Wittenberg:
Maybe it's a type and shadow of the age to come.

lareli:
Yes Kat I agree. God produces any good that we do, just saying that it 'feels' like I'm doing it.  Physically. If I do something righteous or if I judge something correctly I can stop and intellectually identify that it's God and not me doing it but more times then not I simply just do it without thought of whether or not it was of God.

Anarchy in that I don't need anyone's approval in regards to my walk with Christ. It's like Paul said in his letter to one of the church's... "I care very little to be judged by you.. Or any man. I don't even judge myself! My conscience is clean. If I'm wrong, God will judge." Paraphrased.

Our carnal nature that is dying, worships physical/carnal authority. We are taught to do so from birth. We rely on someone more physically capable from day one. Our very survival depends on those who can feed and protect us while we are babies.

Nothing new under the sun. It has always been this way. We grow into adults and the instinct we have to be 'under' the authority and protection of a more capable human is still there. God established Israel under His protection and authority. They/we sought out the authority/rule/protection of man. It's our instinct to do so from birth through every generation. It's in our DNA.

I say anarchy because God established them under His rule and authority and protection. Not under a man. Sure Moses appointed 'rulers' but they were only there as judges to judge between those who came to them with grievances or questions regarding Gods rule or law. I see a similarity in Paul and the apostles. They had no 'pope' or head person they would report to. Christ is the head we are the body. Likewise Paul appointed elders and not a head person in the church's.

The way church's are structured today are mirror images of mans governments. With a head person at the top, a few people under that head person, more 'leaders' under them, so on and so forth down to the common church goers who hold the whole structure up with their tithe dollars. Just like a mini government of man. Church's have conformed to the pattern of this world in this regard. This pattern of one man in charge breeds corruption and oppression as God warned Israel that they would cry out to Him and they would become servants to that man whom they desire to rule them.

lareli:
Just another thought about Paul and the apostles, remember Paul reprimanded the church when he heard that folks were saying "I was baptized by Paul!" Another "I was baptized by so and so" and on and on and Paul tells them that it's Christ who is the head. It's Christ who they should look to. But again in this example we see the carnal desire to be under a man..

Kat:

--- Quote from: largeli on December 02, 2015, 10:34:37 AM ---Yes Kat I agree. God produces any good that we do, just saying that it 'feels' like I'm doing it.  Physically. If I do something righteous or if I judge something correctly I can stop and intellectually identify that it's God and not me doing it but more times then not I simply just do it without thought of whether or not it was of God.
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You are right about that, and that's why everybody think they have free will, the world does not 'sense' Satan's influence and I/we don't usually 'sense' the Spirit's guidance. It seems that you can mostly tell when you look back and think about a situation and realize it was all of God. But I do find that more and more I'm actually looking/asking for God to help me out.

And that's an interesting thought that we are raised up depending on others, we learn to trust people... I think that's why it is so hard to trust and have faith in God that is not visible to us. But like you were saying, though Paul was a great teacher he was always pointing to Christ, and giving God all the credit.

1Cor 1:12  Now this I mean, that each one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos: and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
v. 13  Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized into the name of Paul?

1Cor 1:17  For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.
v. 18  For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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