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Shall He find faith?
Kat:
That is very true John, but for a large part of our lives we are deceived like the whole world is and then we do not know for sure who the chosen are.
Titus 3:3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.
Certainly it's God's who brings everything about, He plays this out in us one day at a time and step by step with the choices we make, leading us to repentance and having faith or into deception like the church or even the tares. God causes "strong delusion" and the whole church believe they are born again with the Holy Spirit. Even after the Spirit comes into the chosen it's no absolute certainty of their enduring to the end. We all live "in Him," everything we do and say and even think is according to His intention.
Acts 17:26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
v. 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
v. 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.'
The decision is certainly God's who are His chosen, but not having free will/choice does not mean we do not have a will or makes choices and who inspires these choices? Of course God is working throughout the lives of His chosen, though they cannot perceive it. He is shaping and molding them just as He sees fit and needs them to be by influencing their thinking and reasoning of the choices THEY make, "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God," (Rom 8:16).
Col 1:26 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
v. 27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
No we cannot change what is predetermined, but we don't know what that is and we are given many instructions and warnings in Scripture, as to influence OUR mind. That's how God does it, not just to us, but IN us and through us.
Eze 36:27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
Matt 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
Rev 3:11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lareli:
I don't have any desire to rule over anyone or to be king or judge. I'd rather not. I just want to please my father and creator. If it pleases Him to try me by fire in this go round, let me be faithful. If It pleases Him for me to suffer in the next age, let me be faithful.
Kat:
Hi largeli, I'd like to say, to me, it's not about ruling in the next age at all. As you said "I just want to please my Father and Creator." If I have been given the knowledge of the truths before the rest of the world, then a am greatly blessed and deeply thankful, and will not reject any part of what is being given.
Now if I were to make it into the first resurrection, no way do I feel capable or able to do such a thing as ruling and judging the rest of the world... so it's a good thing that the elect will not have to worry about that. As Christ does exactly what is His Father's will, never diverging from it for a second and so will the elect.
John 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
John 8:28 Then Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.
v. 29 And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him."
When the chosen are raised and born into the kingdom, they will be joined with Christ, who is joined with the Father and they will be perfectly one with them. The Father's will is done precisely by Christ, so it will be the same for the elect who will then be one as they are one, and in perfect harmony with them.
John 17:9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.
v. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.
v. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
John 17:20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
v. 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
v. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
v. 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
1Peter 5:10 And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to His eternal (eonian) glory in Christ, will Himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.
So you see, it's the Father who accomplishes His will first through Christ and then through those He raises and are joined to be one with them. It certainly will not be anything that the elect need to be concerned with knowing how to do, they will only do as they are inspired to do, and it will be done with perfection, just like Christ.
2Tim 1:8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,
v. 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lareli:
Kat once all are saved.. Will all be sons, daughters of God or will only the elect be sons/daughters?
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: largeli on December 21, 2015, 03:30:20 PM ---Kat once all are saved.. Will all be sons, daughters of God or will only the elect be sons/daughters?
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Largeli, why do you ask such a question?
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