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2 Corinthians 10:5
rick:
--- Quote from: Jeff on January 10, 2016, 10:02:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on January 10, 2016, 07:07:02 PM ---We human being are so weak, so fragile its a miracle anyone make it. Jesus did say what is impossible for man is possible with God.
We get beat up by this old world and if that's not enough we beat ourselves up too. I guess we are our own worst enemy. Its nice to know in this life there is a place where truth can be found.
Getting saved is impossible for man no doubt but with God it is possible, but very differcult.
I think the lake of fire is much more difficult in this age than it will be in the next age , but that is my opinion and I have my reasons for thinking so.
I know if I were to understand the entire word of God in its entirety I would still have only understood only a fragment of Who God is and try to comprehend His glory , I don't know if that is remotely possible.
I find myself longing for only the conclusion of Gods plan but Im well aware of the hardships the struggles and the pain every human being must endure till the end of Gods plan.
I know the bible says consider it all joy but its a hard thing to do when all there seems to be is painful moments at every turn.
perhaps its where Im at but sometimes I think its better to be dead than to be alive but I know time ends all things from my experiences in life.
God bless everyone.
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Its ironic (or not) that I found your post right now. I was just thinking "God, we struggle so much and still far less than most. Our only hope is that it's real - what we believe - and long for your conclusion to this age. It's the only thing we have to hold on to. We face each day's trials and our faith is tested, our hope wavers, and rallies, and we thank you for that, but please don't let the world's suffering be for nothing. Your pain is greater than ours as you suffer with us. Please hurry."
This seems to be my daily prayer, and the fact is that our physical comfort is a blessing compared to what a large part of the world is living with every day, and I feel guilt, but wonder if our suffering is just different - emotional and mentally oriented. When people suffer physical trials it's base - survival of the body. In that circumstance the emotional aspect is irrelevant. These people need basic sustenance. We have physical comfort but our thoughts are torment. I just keep praying that tomorrow God returns for us - ALL.
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Hi Jeff,
I believe everyone experiences pain regardless of what ones belief is, I think Gods elect probable suffer the most.
when I was in the Air force I had to adhere to the laws of the country I served in plus I had to adhere to the uniform code of military justice.
I believe Gods elect have twice as much to obey , but their reward is great.
God bless.
AwesomeSavior:
"We are being shown that we must trust and obey God completely and that's what OUR will is learning to do. But it takes OUR own desire and effort with God's Spirit influencing us, but WE are doing the changing, WE are working to conform our minds to His will, trusting Him".
That sounds a lot like Glory to Us, Kat.
Jeff:
--- Quote from: indianabob on January 11, 2016, 11:47:57 AM ---Well stated Jeff,
My thoughts follow along a similar line.
When the uncalled are being judged in the future they will have loving assistance from the "lake of fire" to encourage them in their efforts as much as to burden them with confessions and repentance.
Having access to a "forum" of like believers will be in a much different context.
I- Bob
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This made me smile - the idea of the Lake of Fire being an encouragement. If not for the wise counsel of this forum, I would be utterly alone in the universe, except for Gods presence.
Kat:
--- Quote from: AwesomeSavior on January 11, 2016, 05:24:22 PM ---"We are being shown that we must trust and obey God completely and that's what OUR will is learning to do. But it takes OUR own desire and effort with God's Spirit influencing us, but WE are doing the changing, WE are working to conform our minds to His will, trusting Him".
That sounds a lot like Glory to Us, Kat.
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I think you missed my point, it certainly is not OUR glory, it is the Holy Spirit in us doing it all. Here is what I also said.
"But when God's Spirit becomes indwells, then He begins to influence us and though we still have our own will, the Spirit's influence begins to make big changes in the way we think."
"...that is the Holy Spirit working with us showing us this, our will is changing."
"...the Spirit gives us a convection of the truth, and we begin to get in line with God's will and purpose."
Even the comment that you brought up I mentioned "God's Spirit influencing us." I am very aware it all comes from God through Christ (the vine) to us, we can do nothing of our self, it Christ in us.
John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
The main thing I was trying to get across is that this is not just happening to us, but by His Spirit we bear fruit, these works are being done IN us and THROUGH us, not just to us. Yes we are "His workmanship," and that is for the purpose of "good works" that we do.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Christ is already working in us now, we will have good works and we're being taught and shown how the Spirit works in us, so when Christ returns we will be ready to serve with Him.
Here is an excerpt from the Bible study 'Do James And Paul Contradict?'
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9742.0.html ---
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works…
You have done this things, God says.
v. 21 …when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
He didn’t actually kill him, but in his own heart and mind he offered him, he did. He did that thing.
v. 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
There it is! Why can’t people read that, there it is. That’s what Paul says in Ephesians 2, not by your works, but by works of God, you’re His workmanship, He’s going to do good works through you. Here he says, “See you how faith wrought with works, by works was faith made perfect.” Did Paul cast away good works? No, he said he was eager to do them. He said we should be zealous of them. He mentioned good works in the two page book of Titus about six times. Paul in Ephesians 2, you can’t separate faith and the good works that God will do in you. Can you see now that it’s faith BY works, was faith made perfect?
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
--- Quote from: Kat on January 09, 2016, 09:17:01 PM ---
Hi Rick, when you think about our 'will,' it's what we think, what we determine in our minds and becomes 'our' desires and then what we ultimately choose to do or say, "For as he thinks in his heart, so is he" (Pro 23:7). Of course there is all the causes and circumstances involved, but this cause and effect is a natural law that applies to everything. So when we are worldly we are carnal minded, living according to the desires of the flesh, our ego. But when God's Spirit becomes indwells, then He begins to influence us and though we still have our own will, the Spirit's influence begins to make big changes in the way we think.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Now God always expresses in Scripture what His will is for the elect to do, it is written for the elect, because He doesn't leave us to figure this all out on our own, we have the testimony of the all the Scripture to guide us. Look at the verses before the verse you brought up and you will see the elect have the "power of God" - His Holy Spirit, to fight the battles in this world.
2Cor 10:3 Of course, we are living in the world, but we do not wage war in a world-like way.
v. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not those of the world. Instead, they have the power of God to demolish fortresses. We tear down arguments
v. 5 and every proud obstacle that is raised against the knowledge of God, taking every thought captive in order to obey the Messiah. (ISV)
God's working in believers is a process, He is preparing us and we must go through many trials that show us our weaknesses. When we begin to see how truly ugly this carnality is, and we do not like it and want to get rid of it, that is the Holy Spirit working with us showing us this, our will is changing. So through these experiences over and over again we begin to see and understand what we must change.
God wants us to have a real hatred for carnality and a great desire for this truth, proven to be sincere over time, so that when He does reveal these things we will really appreciate it. So our will is slowly changed, the Spirit gives us a convection of the truth, and we begin to get in line with God's will and purpose. But it's a process and it takes time.
Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
We are being shown that we must trust and obey God completely and that's what OUR will is learning to do. But it takes OUR own desire and effort with God's Spirit influencing us, but WE are doing the changing, WE are working to conform our minds to His will, trusting Him.
Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
I've began to see that these truths are built one upon another, there is an order I guess and we cannot skip ahead, that why we all seem to be at different levels, we are. God is not going to just drop this precious truth in our lap, it is a gradual process, as we strive to learn it comes little by little of God showing us what He knows we are ready to understand.
If your eyes have been opened to these truth, then you must believe you are in the race... think of how few in this world have even heard these truths, much less believe them. But I think this is a race of endurance we are in, we may get discouraged at times, but we can never give up. This is not suppose to be easy, I think it has to do with nothing of real value is easily obtained.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Im starting to see the connection here, casting down imagination could also be said as casting down ego, we human being like to imagine ourselves as being # 1 even when we know we are not, but we do imagine or fantasize because fantasizing is imagination.
So when we cast down imagination we are doing it but when we do that, its understood its being done by the power of God and not us or it will not last if we do such a thing through our own will or our will power if there is such a thing as that.
Thanks Kat and God bless.
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