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Kat:

I noticed in one of the excerpts above that Ray had mention something from part c of his myth of free will, so I looked it up and thought some excerpts from there would be a good addition to this thread.

http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html -------------------

THE KING OF ASSYRIA’S OBSCURED HEART
VERSUS THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD

Last time I said that I would show you in the Scriptures an example where God tells us that He uses people to do His will, but that the one being used doesn’t know it, but rather thinks that he himself is doing the choosing and making the decisions and carrying out the intentions of his heart all according to his own presumed free will, whereas God says that it is He, and not the person being used, Who is in total control of the one being used.

Isaiah 10:
“O Assyrian, the rod of Mine anger, and the staff in their hand is Mine indignation. I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of My wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. (v. 5,6)

Howbeit HE means not so, neither does HIS heart [his ‘obscured’ heart—Ecc. 3:11] think so; but it is in HIS heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few. For he says, Are not MY princes altogether kings… (v. 7,8)
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For he says, By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by the wisdom; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds of the people, and have robbed their treasures, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man: (v. 13)

And my hand has found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathers eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped. (v.14)

Shall the ax [king of Assyria] boast itself against him that hews therewith [God]? Or shall the saw [king of Assyria] magnify itself against Him that saws with it [God] as if the rod [king of Assyria] should shake itself against them that lift it up [God], or as if the staff [king of Assyria] should lift up itself, as if it were no wood [but rather something with free will and the power of self-determinism].(v.15)
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That section of Scripture is pretty much self-explanatory. This is a perfect example where God fills in the whys and wherefores of how He operated and worked with the king of Assyria to punish His people, Israel.
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“He [God] has made everything fitting [not ‘beautiful’] in its season; However, He has put obscurity in their heart so that the man may NOT find out His work, that which God does.”  (Ecc. 3:11).

So God has made everything that there is (even though much of it is evil, ugly, and NOT ‘beautiful,’) fitting, proper, appropriate, and suited for its own season, “but” or “however”—here comes a counter proposal, if you will. So God makes EVERYTHING proper and appropriate for His plan, however…. BUT, “…He has put OBSCURITY in their hearts…” so that, or in order that, they CANNOT know or understand what it is that He is doing to them in this human existence we call “life.” What a spiritual revelation!

We have hundreds of Scriptures that verify the fact that God does do according to His plan and intention, always, and everywhere, but there are few verses as this verse which tells us specifically how He had HID [concealed, obscured] this marvelous operation from the eyes of carnal humanity as this verse does.
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God uses mankind with his “obscured heart” to do all of His intentions without mankind every consciously knowing that God is working His purpose through them—“so that no man can find out the work that God makes from the beginning to the end.”
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But this is also how God works with all kings and presidents, and heads of corporations, and heads of families, and all humanity. God “…works ALL according to the counsel of His Own will.” But just like the King of Assyria, not so is all humanity thinking in THEIR heart. They don’t believe that God uses them on a daily basis just as He did with the King of Assyria.
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This is all the strange work of God. There is no free will about it. We are all born out of a dark womb into the natural light of day, but this too is but a parable. We must be “born again” out of spiritual darkness of this age into the glorious light of the Sun of God. It is a painful journey, and requires an experience of evil to accomplish.
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Here then is a proper translation of this most profound verse in Ecc. 1:13:

“It is an experience of evil Elohim [God] has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it” (Concorant Old Testament).

Now we can easily understand what is being said in this verse.

This “experience of evil” is not the purpose or goal of human existence, but this is indeed the process by which God is bringing His Sons and Daughters into glory! Most translations have hidden the meaning of this verse of Scripture. The translations just couldn’t believe that God would do such a thing. They see it all around them. They see it in thousands of Scriptures, but they just couldn’t bring themselves to come right out and say it, as God obviously has stated in the original Hebrew of this verse.

And to this agrees the rest of Scripture:

“For ALL his days are SORROWS, and his travail [experience] GRIEF…”  (Ecc. 2:23).

The destiny of the human race is indeed GLORIOUS, but the journey is filled with evil and sorrow. This not to say that there are not many beautiful and good things in life, but for most the misery far far outweighs the pleasurable.
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But Jesus Christ can set us free from the carnal mind, and give us spiritual discernment, and increase our knowledge, and make us wise so that we can understand. Here then is the revelation of a major mystery:
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“He [God] has made everything FITTING in its season; However, He has put OBSCURITY in their heart so that the man may NOT find out His work, that which God does from the beginning to the end.” (Ecc. 3:11).

What an amazing Scripture.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat

rick:

--- Quote from: Kat on January 17, 2016, 12:03:45 PM ---Hi Rick, interesting way of putting it "rigged," as in everything is predetermined beforehand. But you are right, it has to be this way for God to be sovereign. But it's not as simple as that sounds, because we do not know the future, therefore we cannot know for certain what is yet to transpire and so we hope/pray for certain things. But we hope for things, not because we have self determination, but because He made us to be thinking creatures and God wants us to know and understand Him better. So He is working in our heart and minds through things that happen to learn how to desire His will in everything, actually to trust Him in everything that happens.


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Hi Kat,

Its my hope that no one misunderstands what Im implying when I said life is rigged !

one should be happy life is rigged because God rigged it in our favour , sometimes it doesn't appear that way because good things don't always happen to us but like scripture says will you except good from the hand of God but but not evil ?

life doesn't always go the way we would like it too but believe it or not we should be thankful it does not. It is Gods wisdom that is going to bring all things about not mans wisdom.

I cannot comprehend the greatness of God , I have or am developing a healthy fear of God our creator, He holds all the cards.

I like how Job said my bed will give me comfort but God sent him nightmares that cause him to toss and turn all night so as to not rest.

God should be concidered in all things at all times , that is great wisdon to live by. Yes life is rigged and I for one am very thankful.

God bless you Kat and everyone else too,

rick:

--- Quote from: DEJI on January 17, 2016, 01:34:48 AM ---hi Rick. you can not be whatever you want to be in America or anywhere else in the world. two people can take the same decisions and have quite different results. Ecclesiastes 9:11 Young's Literal Translation goes thus:
I have turned so as to see under the sun, that not to the swift is the race, nor to the
mighty the battle, nor even to the wise bread, nor even to the intelligent wealth, nor
even to the skilful grace, for time and chance happen with them all.

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Hello DEJI,

Yes, I agree, you made my point .

God bless.

lareli:
It's all a conspiracy. Your life. My life. Everything.

I saw a mod remove a post years ago and then comment something to the effect that "we're not gonna let this forum turn into a 'conspiracy theory' forum"

Yet all of us here believe that it's ALL a conspiracy and God is the conspirator. He sends them a delusion that they should believe a lie. Conspiracy.

When you feel like the world is conspiring against you... You got fired. Spouse left you. Bank foreclosed on you... Conspiracy. All part of the master plan.

But it's a good plan. Amen.

Kat:

So largeli you think God is a great conspirator and His plan is a conspiracy?

conspiracy : noun - a conspiracy is a secret agreement between two or more people to commit an unlawful or harmful act.

Well I certainly don't look at what God's doing here in that way, not at all. It is much more than a good plan, it is brilliant beyond our possible comprehension at this time. Conspirator? God does not break His own laws... we suffer for now and yes indeed it is painful to this physical life, but it's temporary and actually a very short duration.

James 4:14  You don't even know what your life tomorrow will be! You are like a puff of smoke, which appears for a moment and then disappears. (GNB)

Instead of looking on this as harmful I think the spiritual gain will so far outweigh whatever we must bare now, that we will actually be glad we suffered.

2Cor 4:16  Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day.
v. 17  For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory,
v. 18  while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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