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Are our thoughts really our thoughts ?
rick:
But there is no such scientific demonstration that man can formulate thoughts and actions to which absolutely no cause whatsoever can be attributed.
The above is taken from the lake of fire part A.
I understand no human being at anytime ever had free will, no one one has ever made an uncaused choice, so it must be reasonable to think that even our thought must also be caused as well.
Up to now I believed that all choices are caused choices and that my thoughts were original but now something is telling me that even my thoughts are caused thoughts as well.
Are there any here who after studying Rays papers believe they are the originator of their own thoughts ? :-\
God bless all.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Rick on January 23, 2016, 07:10:36 PM ---But there is no such scientific demonstration that man can formulate thoughts and actions to which absolutely no cause whatsoever can be attributed.
The above is taken from the lake of fire part A.
I understand no human being at anytime ever had free will, no one one has ever made an uncaused choise, so it must be reasonable to think that even our thought must also be caused as well.
Up to now I believed that all choises we caused choises and that my thoughts were original but now something is telling me that even my thoughts are caused thoughts as well.
Are there any here who after studying Rays papers believe they are the originator of their own thoughts ? :-\
God bless all.
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Hi Rick,
Your thoughts are most definitely your own regardless of them being caused. They belong to you. No one else. They are not in another person's head and are unique to you. They exist because of the unique individual you are due to circumstances and causes beyond your control.
As ray said, we are not robots.
Perhaps you should read ray's paper on 'Why does God love you?'
http://bible-truths.com/WhyGodLovesYou.htm
God bless,
Alex
rick:
--- Quote from: lienboi16 on January 23, 2016, 07:39:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on January 23, 2016, 07:10:36 PM ---But there is no such scientific demonstration that man can formulate thoughts and actions to which absolutely no cause whatsoever can be attributed.
The above is taken from the lake of fire part A.
I understand no human being at anytime ever had free will, no one one has ever made an uncaused choise, so it must be reasonable to think that even our thought must also be caused as well.
Up to now I believed that all choises we caused choises and that my thoughts were original but now something is telling me that even my thoughts are caused thoughts as well.
Are there any here who after studying Rays papers believe they are the originator of their own thoughts ? :-\
God bless all.
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Hi Rick,
Your thoughts are most definitely your own regardless of them being caused. They belong to you. No one else. They are not in another person's head and are unique to you. They exist because of the unique individual you are due to circumstances and causes beyond your control.
As ray said, we are not robots.
Perhaps you should read ray's paper on 'Why does God love you?'
http://bible-truths.com/WhyGodLovesYou.htm
God bless,
Alex
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Hi Alex,
I understand that every choice I make is my choice but its a choice that is forced upon me by all the circumstances that are in place at the time of every choice and every choise will be according to to what God wanted me to choose.
But does that suggest because I don't make and uncaused choice that somehow Im a robot ?
our thoughts are our thoughts in that those thoughs are in our mind and not anothers but my question was are we the originator of our own thoughts or is God causing every thought we have and every choice we make ?
Ray proved that all choices are cause choices but I believe all thoughts are caused thoughts as well.
so I don't believe Im the originator of my thoughts either although Im accountable for my thoughts just as Im accoutable for my choices but I don't believe Im accoutable for what Im doing but accoutable because I like what Im doing.
Im accoutable for my thoughts because Christ said if one should look upon a women in lust he is guilty of adultery which tells me we are accountable even for what we think.
So yes, they are our thoughts but every thought is also caused by God and not us so we are not the originator of our thoughts.
God bless.
Doug:
Hi Rick,
God is in control of everything, even our thoughts. We think then we do according to what we imagined.
indianabob:
This type of presentation of our experiences is not getting more helpful, but rather seems more confusing. :o
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I usually go to the gym during the day, but today the sun was shining on my enclosed front porch causing the temperature there to be 80 deg F. while it was 22 degrees outside the porch glass. I like the sun on my skin and the heat for a change during the cold winter, so I chose to stay home for two hours and take a sun bath in my swim suit and absorb some vitamin D. Later I went to the gym to exercise as is my custom.
So who decided? Me or God?
Did I make a choice between the various options presented to me.
Or was I CAUSED to make the choice to have some fun and lazily bask in the sun?
Let's get real here folks...
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