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Fasting?
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Michael G on February 04, 2016, 01:28:26 PM ---Ok Alex, here my second witness
1Co 3:13 Mikes work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try Mikes work of what sort it is.
Don't know if your statement was ment for me?
The truth is it is all one and it all fits. Yes to establish a truth 2 witnesses are needed, but let's not deny the truth of any scripture. You can give several witnesses to some and they won't see it. and you can give one witness to some and they will see it all through out his word! And it is in his word where we worship in spirit and truth and some have that word working right in there heart.
Peace to the brethren
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No Mike, I was responding to Stello. Your post was made while I was making mine and so I had not even read what you wrote yet when I posted mine. All I saw was Stello's and Kat's.
indianabob:
Hi Stello,
I agree with the counsel already given so this is just a personal note of my experience.
When I was with Worldwide we fasted each year on a Jewish holy day and I was able to complete the fast without food or water from sundown to sundown. I prepared by eating only mild foods the two days previously and avoided stimulants such as coffee so as to not have withdrawal symptoms.
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I was ignorant of the true meaning of things we have all learned from Mr. Smith, but I did gain a better understanding of what others who fast had to endure, so I suppose that it was beneficial in that way.
What I did learn that is still beneficial to me personally is that I could survive without three meals and water IF I HAD TO. This personal knowledge was to some degree empowering to me because I had never done that since I was a young child and had a serious illness during which time I could not take any food for two or three days. Couldn't keep it down and had a high fever.
My point is that if you want to try it just for your own experience of learning to control one of your strong appetites it may be beneficial in reducing the natural fear one has of being unable to find food in some type of natural emergency such as an auto breakdown in a storm away from home or other helpless situation. To me the experience was empowering similar to my experience of quitting the tobacco habit many decades ago.
Hope that you have fun if you try it. ;)
stello:
Thanks all for your replies and help. God is amazing and i am so glad he brought me here. I sometimes want to get to the end result of all humanity being part of God's family, but i know we have to go through this learning period.
lareli:
Fasting is useful in order to exercise the fruits of the spirit. Just like when trying to build physical strength you must put your physical muscles under stress and adversity in order to stimulate growth.
You can't be courageous unless you are first afraid. You can't exercise and develop patience unless and until you are in situations that make you naturally impatient. Self control is easy as long as you are in situations where there's no temptation.
Fasting from physical food will make you grumpy, irritated, impatient, etc. It may provide a good training ground and circumstance to exercise those spiritual muscles of self control, patience, joy, etc.
Of course the fruits of the spirit are produced in us by God and not by our own efforts alone.. But it's not as though God will just magically make these fruits grow in us over night. Just like Adam and Eve desiring the knowledge of good and evil.. When they ate the fruit they didn't all-of-the-sudden have all the knowledge of good and evil, but instead God put them and us in this present reality and arena where we can obtain through exercising discernment, the knowledge of good and evil.
Hebrews 5
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Fasting can be very valuable for exercising the fruits of the spirit... Driving during rush hour traffic also provides opportunities to extend patience and even forgiveness to others, lol!
lilitalienboi16:
I'm going to share a few emails from ray on 'keeping the sabbeth' because its very similar to the idea of 'keeping a fast.' Its another physical carnal outward display of the flesh. The very man such things the pharisees loved to do and which Jesus called them dead on the inside for. There are many many more emails that you can look up on this forum about the sabbeth. I just picked the first three that came up.
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Hi Ray¸
Should we work on Saturdays? Is it wrong to work on the Sabbath?
COMMENT: It is wrong to do OUR spiritual works ON ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. That is what the Sabbath is to teach us. We are NOT to do our works, but let God work IN US on every day of the week, not just the seventh. Keeping the physical weekly Sabbath is for those who have not yet come to obey the SPIRITUAL Sabbath of God's rest (Heb. 4:3-4). Once a Gentile is circumcised in his heart and spirit it is not necessary to be PHYSICAL circumcised in his flesh, Etc.
Chris
P.S Sorry to be pedantic [,] but you have been pluralising [that's 'pluralizing,' Chris...JUST KIDDING!] words with apostrophes on your site!
COMMENT: That is a typo, I assure you, and not done consciously. I sometimes type "who's" instead of "whose," and many such stupid errors. It's a case of early Alzheimer.
God be with you,
Ray
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Dear Johan: You close by stating that you hope I will not take your email as an attack on me. I assure you I won't, and I likewise hope that you do not take my admonition as an attack on you. Your email is too long, but I will make a few COMMENTS in it........
Hi Ray,
Thank you for your site! I benefited a lot, and I’ve spent hours and days reading and agreeing, and learning! I think you’re one of the very few childen of God that really knows his bible – and that’s the way it should be for every true child of God!
I absolutely agree with you on almost everything!, but I’d like to know how you can get past the Sabbath?
How do you spiritualize away the Sabbath?
COMMENT: I do NOT "spiritual away the Sabbath." Besides, if something is "spiritualized" it will not go away, seeing that the natural is temporary, but the spiritual is lasting (II Cor. 4:18).
How do you spiritually do all your work in six days and spiritually rest on the seventh?-
COMMENT: Your statements proves that you do not understand the "spiritual rest" of the Sabbath day at all. The Sabbath pictures rest (actually and literally to "stop working"). What good is the physical sabbath for people who NEVER stop working. Not only do they do their "works of the law" during the week, but they actually do their "works of the law" on the Sabbath which pictures them STOPPING THEIR OWN WORKS! When you do you "work of the law" by KEEPING the physical Sabbath, you BREAK the spirit of the Sabbath which is to STOP YOUR WORKING AND LET GOD WORK IN YOU.
Therefore, when people as me if I keep the Sabbath I always answer by saying, "YES, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK." As long as you are doing YOUR work on the Sabbath, you will never "ENTER INTO GOD'S REST" (Heb. 4).
I believe the LUNAR SABBATH should be kept.
COMMENT: You are not alone, Johan. Paul had many people who rejected the Gospel by being the same thing: "Ye observe days and months [month means MOON], and times, and years (Gal. 4:10). Paul could no more persuade them in his day to give up the physical and obey the spiritual (John 6:63), than I am able today. If people can't DO SOMETHING PHYSICAL THEY DON'T FEEL SPIRITUAL. That's just the way it is. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the NEW MOON [as you are now trying to instruct me as necessary], or of the SABBATH DAYS [as you are also accusing me of 'spiritualizing away the Sabbath']" (Col. 2:16).
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Dear Bob: You topic is an interesting one, but however, one entirely too big to answer in any detail in an email--it would take days to answer thoroughly.
Suffice it to say:
1. Jesus did NOT keep the Sabbath. He taught in the synagogues on the Sabbath because that is the time that everyone was gathered together, not because Jesus wanted to "keep" the sabbath day. Jesus healed and commanded to carry a bed on the Sabbath which was against the law of Moses. Neither did Jesus' disciples observe the sabbath according to Moses. Jesus did not deny breaking the sabbath in Matt. 12. He showed that His breaking of the sabbath was NOT A SIN. He used David and the Priests to substantiate His claim, plus the much greater reason being that Jesus Himself was Lord of the Sabbath.
2. Jesus did not keep the Annual Holy Days. Jesus did not eat the passover on the eve of Nisan 15, but rather they ate a supper on the eve of Nisan 14. Jesus was crucified late afternoon before the 15th just as the passover lambs were being killed--of ocurse, Jesus WAS the True Passover Lamb. "THAT sabbath was an HIGH DAY" we are told. The weekly sabbath was also the Passover and first day of Unleavened bread which is always an Holy Sabbath Day.
Jesus didn't keep the Feast of Pentecost or Trumpets, or Atonement--Jesus IS our Atonement. Jesus said that He and His disciples wouldn't fast during His ministry. Jesus did not keep the Feast of Tabernacles. The made no temporary booths in which to live for seven days. Jesus sent His disciples up to the feast, but He stayed back. He went up later in the feast to TEACH, not to keep the feast. Etc.
3. There is nothing physical that will make you spiritual. The Sabbath has a spiritual fulfillment. It is a rest that we enter into with God. When we have the real thing, we no longer need to be observing the shadow or type of the REAL THING, which is CHIRST.
God be with you,
Ray
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We are HIS workmanship, and it is the faith OF Jesus that lives in us. We are not our own works, we don't even provide the faith aspects, its ALL OF GOD. Saved by Grace through faith which are both gifts from God. No need to physically starve yourself.
Hebrews 4:2-10
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
God is mighty to save, He won't fail, just stay calm and wait upon the Lord. Its all in His time and at the appointed season.
God bless,
Alex
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