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Flesh that profits nothing?
« on: February 25, 2016, 11:36:22 AM »

I think this is a good review item and the timeline is just extra.

Rays Replies to 'Flesh that profits nothing?'
on: March 17, 2006, 09:51:28 AM

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth
nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are
spirit, and [they] are life. [John 6:63]

Does our flesh profit nothing?  Was the design of mans physical body and his experiences to mean nothing?

[Ray's reply]

Sometimes familiar words have a way of prejudicing our minds. In a Scripture such as these where our Lord states that "the flesh PROFITS nothing," and we feel immediately that, why sure it does, isn't that the whole purpose of our physical life, existence, and experience? To be PROFITED by the whole thing? Yes, but that is not specifically what Jesus is stating.

Jesus did not say that there is no value to our physical experience. What He said was that the experience itself is NOT THE PROFIT ITSELF.

I am sure that most read this verse thinking Jesus said this: "...the flesh PRODUCES nothing." As though nothing valuable comes out of our experience in the flesh, when that is decidedly not what Jesus is saying.

The word translated "profits" is from the Greek word "apheleo" and has a primary meaning of "BENEFIT." It is virtually always translated with a negative connotation:

"what is a man PROFITED, if he gain the whole world..." (Matt. 16:26)

"Pilate saw that he could PREVAIL nothing..." (Matt. 27:24)

"and was nothing BETTERED, but rather..." (Mark 5:26)

"...the flesh PROFITS nothing...." (John 6:63)

"Perceive you how you PREVAIL nothing.." (John 12:19)

"For what is a man ADVANTAGED...." (Luke 9:25)

"...it PROFITS me nothing..." (I Cor. 13:3)

"...the word preached did not PROFIT them" (Heb. 4:2)

"...which did not PROFIT them...." (Heb. 13:9)

Next notice that even Christ Himself does not profit some:

"Christ shall PROFIT you nothing...." (Gal. 5:2)

And so what Jesus is clearly stating here is that the FLESH (or any of the other things mentioned above including Christ Himself), are not in and by themselves a BENEFIT (profit) to us until others facts PRODUCE those BENEFITS.

This is why Jesus asked: "What is a man PROFITED if he shall gain the whole world [lots of flesh], and lose his own soul?" (Matt. 16:25).

There is no PROFIT/BENEFIT in the flesh itself, only what comes OUT OF IT. And once you are OUT OF IT (as out of the world), the world is of  NO profit/benefit to you.

Maybe our biggest spiritual example of this is: "Come OUT of her, My people...." (Rev. 18:4). If there is "profit" to be had from being IN Babylon, then perhaps we should all go BACK IN?  No, Babylon is about as fleshly and worldly as anything could ever be, and Babylon BENEFITS NOTHING, so "Come OUT OF HER My people...." The BENEFITS are IN CHRIST, OUT OF Babylon, out of the flesh and the world.

Hope this helps your understanding,
 
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In a Bible study (April 1, 2007) This is a reasonable facsimile of the chart Ray used.


                                DATES TO REMEMBER
                 [A short timeline of important Bibical dates]

Things make a lot more sense if we can put them into some sort of a frame of reference. 
Mobile -- south USA -- North America -- earth -- solar system -- Milky Way Galaxy.............

We will start with Adam and Eve and move forward:

Adam and Eve --------------------------------------4000-BC
Cain murders Abel ----------------------------------3900-              wheel is
Methuselah is born----------------------------------3250-              invented
Adam dies age 930 ---------------------------------3000+               3700
Noah is born ----------------------------------------2885
Noah's flood [Methuselah dies at 969] ------------2285
Babel, languages confused ------------------------2150+           copper & gold
Abraham born --------------------------------------1995                 mined
Noah dies age 950 [500 pre&post flood]----------1935
Sodom & cities burned -----------------------------1900-
Isaac [Abraham's (100 yrs old) first son] is born -1895
Jacob & Esau born ----------------------------------1835
Jacob & Leah have 6 sons in 7 yrs -
[first children of Israel] -----------------------------1777
Joseph viceroy of Egypt [famine ends] ------------1700
Israel prospers in Egypt for 150 yrs ---------------1600           King 'Tut' reigns
Israel slaves of Egypt for 175 yrs ------------------1450            9 yrs - 1350
Moses leads exodus [Ten Commandments]--------1275     
Israel invades Canaan and
walls of Jericho fall ----------------------------------1234          Pyramid building
Philistines in Canaan --------------------------------1190              in Mexico
Samson is born -------------------------------------1090
Samuel leads Israel for 40 yrs ---------------------1050-
David born at Bethlehem ---------------------------1034
Saul first king of Israel -----------------------------1025
David king of Israel - rules for 40 yrs. ------------1000+
David dies at age 69 and
Solomon rules 40 yrs - begins building temple -----965            Greek writer
Solomon turns all Israel to idolatry ------------------935            Homer - 800
Elijah & Baal priests ----------------------------------860+
Jonah - Assyria's enemy -----------------------------777         Hanging Gardens
Israel falls to Assyria ---------------------------------700            of Babylon,
Babylon takes Judah - Temple burned                                  Buddha in China
Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremiah -----------------------------600-        Confucius - 550
Zechariah calls for new Temple ----------------------520
Worship restored by Malachi, Ezra & Nehemiah -----450           Plato in Athens
Books of OT are now called Scripture ----------------350            Socrates 400
Temple built in Samaria and 
Alexander conquers Palestine peacefully -------------333
Egypt rules Palestine 100 yrs., many Jews in Egypt -300
Septuagint: the law from Hebrew to Greek ----------250
Antiochus III of Syria conquers Palestine ------------200
Antiochus IV defukes Temple - burns the Law and
dedicates it to Zeus -----------------------------------167
Antiochus V rescinds decree against Jewish Law and
Temple is rededicated = Hanukkah ------------------164
Rome rules Judea --------------------------------------64
Herod the Great is made king of the Jews and
rebuilds the Temple -----------------------------------37          world population
Jesus is born ------------------------------------------4-3             250 million
Resurrection -----------------------------------------30AD
Titus demolishes Jersalem & Judea ------------------70

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