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Extol:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on May 13, 2016, 09:07:33 PM ---
Maybe I'm wrong, and the preachers are right...but to 'take the name of the Lord in vain' isn't (only) a matter of language, but of the heart. The name of the LORD means "God is Salvation". Is it possible that there are those who take His name with all due solemnity, yet "TAKE IT IN VAIN."?
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This is something I've come to believe since reading Ray's material, and something I was going to bring up in the other thread, where willemv told the story about guys in the bar liberally using the Lord's name in vain.
As Ray pointed out, "God" is a title, used for many false gods as well as the God of the Bible. It is not the name of the Father. I don't think saying "Oh my God" is using the Lord's name in vain, as I was taught as a youngster.
Here are some definitions of "in vain" from various dictionaries I checked:
-without success or a result
-not yielding the desired outcome
-to no avail; fruitlessly
Based on these definitions, I think you are exactly right, Dave. Much more than any verbal expression, I think this is what taking His name in vain is:praising the name of Jesus--Jehovah is salvation--with your lips, while believing in your heart He will not succeed in saving the world
willemv:
I fully agree with you there ,Extol , I have heard hundreds of times people in public prayer saying "Father " in just about every sentence which is using that title in vain and even in "church" it is regarded as wrong. As far as in public is concerned it is usually the name of our Lord Jesus Christ which is used by mostly total unbelievers and ,so I then ask such people whether they are believers or not and correct them in a friendly manner.When people say " oh, my god " it does not particularly worry me as I don't know who is his god , it could be money , sport or anything of carnal value.
God bless, Wim
HoneyLamb56:
If one doesn't "assemble" in a church building with others in that church, how does one's spouse/family member etc. hear the word of God (even if not the truth)? If faith comes by hearing, how does one hear if they do not go to a physical church, listen to televangelists, etc. and where bible discussion/study/prayer is not done in or out of the home?
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: HoneyLamb56 on May 15, 2016, 11:17:53 AM ---If one doesn't "assemble" in a church building with others in that church, how does one's spouse/family member etc. hear the word of God (even if not the truth)? If faith comes by hearing, how does one hear if they do not go to a physical church, listen to televangelists, etc. and where bible discussion/study/prayer is not done in or out of the home?
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If you remove all of those from the equation and add "the internet", maybe they don't 'hear'. Why bible discussion/study/prayer is not done in the home is a worrisome question. It's easy for me to answer in my household, but I'm not in others' households where it might be harder.
Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Historically and personally (for you, if you are wheat), when did the Man sow good seed in the field? When did the enemy sow tares among the wheat? Lastly, when is the harvest? For some of us, it is already underway to be completed at His coming.
Notice too that the Man's concern wasn't for the tares. That's why He told the servants to let them both grow up together. It was for the sake of the wheat that He told them not to remove the tares until the harvest. Does this mean churches shouldn't fire and prosecute child-abusing youth ministers/priests, pastors, volunteer lay people? Aren't they tares obvious even to the "workers"? Surely that's not what this means. Judgement is on the House of God even now. Should Ray have kept silent about the false doctrine, worthless practices, and fear-and-money grubbing attitudes of the leaders? Again, no.
"Let them grow up together." "Until the Harvest". The Harvest is underway, and has been for a long time, now. The field is His, and everything that grows in it. But a man grows WHEAT in a wheat field.
Of course, this isn't the only parable concerning the Kingdom of the Heavens. It's not even the end for the "wheat".
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: HoneyLamb56 on May 15, 2016, 11:17:53 AM ---If one doesn't "assemble" in a church building with others in that church, how does one's spouse/family member etc. hear the word of God (even if not the truth)? If faith comes by hearing, how does one hear if they do not go to a physical church, listen to televangelists, etc. and where bible discussion/study/prayer is not done in or out of the home?
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Be STILL and know that I am God. I WILL be exalted in all the earth.
Who can be saved? With men, this is impossible, but with God ALL THINGS are possible.
Just relax and don't worry, all is going exactly as planned. All those who belong to God cannot be lost and we know that God will be all in all.
Therefor, 'Wait for me,' says the Lord.
God bless,
Alex
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