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Kat:
--- Quote from: jingle52 on March 17, 2016, 07:43:31 AM ---Thanks Kat, we are all really and truly looking forward to this new earth with Jesus as ruler and king!
I sometimes wonder what it will be like though, will we live under the stars in tents as the ancients did? Will we go back to the times of Adam and Eve with the innocence they had before they ate the fruit? I think about this often and was just wondering if anybody else has these thoughts (however silly they may seem) ;)
Jingle
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I think that which I put in bold is an impossibility. Once somebody has lived and sinned they are no longer innocent and cannot return to such a state of being... I believe all the multitudes of people at resurrection will be the very same person they were at death, with the same mind - understandings - knowledge - memory - skills - personality - and everything that makes up an individual's character whether good or bad. That is what God will be looking at and will judge.
1Cor 3:12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
v. 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
v. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
v. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
Now what will the living conditions be like? Well we don't know how that will be worked out, but things will be so different at that time, and one thing is for sure there will be an abundance of man/woman power to get things done. I would think house building will have a really big boom then. Also no long will there be people who will not work for a living... health issues will not be a problem as Christ can heal any and all. And neither will there be those who simply refuse to work either, as Paul said.
2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
It just seems logical to me that's God's government will make sure that everybody takes care of their responsibilities... that's could be part of the judgment on the world, that everybody has to pull their own weight and not take advantage of others. We can only imagine how Christ's government will operate, but we can know for sure that it will be in perfect righteous... something we will just have to get use to then ;D
mercy, peace and love
Kat
jingle52:
Thanks Kat, what a wonderful world that would be.....
Timothy, I wish you and your wife all the best and hope things work out for you both health-wise. Just recovering from pneumonia myself :)
Love this forum too, will be lost without it even though I do not post often ;D
Jingle
Mike Gagne:
Hello to all. I would just like to add a comment on this verse.
Rev 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
LRay taught in his lake of fire series that revelation is a book of symbols. And he also taught what the earth is. Quote from Lray.
--- Quote ---The "heart of the earth" is the very DEPTH OF THE FLESH. The flesh of man is "of the EARTH, EARTHY" Paul tells us.
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And that the sea is the sea of humanity.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
I don't think there will literally be a new earth.
Rev 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven
--- Quote ---Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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and a new earth,
--- Quote ---1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly
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for the first heaven( the heaven of mans mind where he dwells ) and the first earth
--- Quote ---1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
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( the flesh of man ) had passed away. Also there was no more sea
The last part of the verse which I underlined I am just making my own comment. All corrections welcome.
When John stood upon the sand of the sea was he not dwelling in a different heaven then those he was just above, the sea of humanity. And he was not in the third heaven where God dwells. So when all of humanity dwells in the third Heaven where God dwells will there not be any more sea? I don't know if that fits so all comments on this are much thought over.
Righteousness, Peace and Joy to All
Kat:
Hi Michael,
Certainly Revelation is symbolism, and no I don't believe there will be "literally a new earth" either, as in a new planet. Generally speaking when it speaks of earth it's talking about mankind's domain. Just like heaven is not speaking of the literal sky/atmosphere above the earth or outer-space, heaven is God's domain.
Psa 103:19 The LORD has established His throne in heaven, And His kingdom rules over all.
The "new earth" means it will not be the same as it was, the next age won't be like the old was, it will be different.
Matt 6:10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.
So what does that mean?
Isa 2:2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the LORD's house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it.
No of course the new earth isn't speaking of the rocks, trees, rivers and such... even there where it speaks of mountain, it's talking about something else, it's not literal. Here is a brief comment in an article.
http://bible-truths.com/lake7.html -----------------
All this stuff about symbols, and figurative language, and allegories, and parables, and metaphors, and devils and serpents, and monsters from the sea having seven heads and ten horns, and fires in a lake which is not really a lake, but is a spiritual lake and not literal fire, and heads that are not heads, but mountains, and the mountains are not mountains, but rather kings, etc., etc., etc.
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Micah 1:2 Hear, all you peoples! Listen, O earth, and all that is in it! Let the Lord GOD be a witness against you, The Lord from His holy temple.
v. 3 For behold, the LORD is coming out of His place; He will come down And tread on the high places of the earth.
v. 4 The mountains will melt under Him, And the valleys will split Like wax before the fire, Like waters poured down a steep place.
Can you see how things will be new - different? The mountains/kings of the world will melt/dissolve/disappear, Christ will cast them down and take over. Righteousness is not the general rule in this world/age now, but it certainly will be then.
2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Hab 2:14 For the earth will be filled With the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, As the waters cover the sea.
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
Just as with the chosen few now are becoming a "new creation" in Christ, so the rest of mankind will begin the process of being made new in the next age. In Revelation we see some specifics of those that shall "become new."
Rev 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
Sounds like a really big difference from what we have in this world now.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Mike Gagne:
Hi Kat, Yes I agree,
your quote
--- Quote ---Certainly Revelation is symbolism, and no I don't believe there will be "literally a new earth" either, as in a new planet. Generally speaking when it speaks of earth it's talking about mankind's domain. Just like heaven is not speaking of the literal sky/atmosphere above the earth or outer-space, heaven is God's domain.
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my quote
--- Quote ---When John stood upon the sand of the sea was he not dwelling in a different heaven then those he was just above, the sea of humanity. And he was not in the third heaven where God dwells. So when all of humanity dwells in the third Heaven where God dwells will there not be any more sea?
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I underlined part of your quote, and in the book of revelation it seems to me its not the earth( planet ) he's talking about, its the man's tent he live's in!
Thanks Kat
R.P and J
Michael
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