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Nelson Boils:
There lies the problem when one teaches or puts forth their own understanding of a scripture,when they are corrected,they take it the wrong way.

rick:
Hi Dave,

I thought when God calls us we become a new creation, a new creature and so this new man cannot sin.

Now the old man can sin and does sin and for this cause we are held accountable but if the bible says those in Christ do not sin then it must be the new man who does not sin.

Thats my understandings.

God bless.

rick:

--- Quote from: Mandela on April 04, 2016, 03:24:53 PM ---There lies the problem when one teaches or puts forth their own understanding of a scripture,when they are corrected,they take it the wrong way.

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God bless.  :)

Dave in Tenn:

--- Quote from: Rick on April 04, 2016, 05:36:22 PM ---Hi Dave,

I thought when God calls us we become a new creation, a new creature and so this new man cannot sin.

Now the old man can sin and does sin and for this cause we are held accountable but if the bible says those in Christ do not sin then it must be the new man who does not sin.

Thats my understandings.

God bless.

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You've got me chopped up into too many 'men'.  What scripture are you referring to with "the bible says those in Christ do not sin"?

rick:

--- Quote from: cheekie3 on April 04, 2016, 10:31:06 AM ---Rick -

Are there any amongst us here on this Forum that can fully explain these Scriptures in Romans which appear to contradict in part about sin:

Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Romans 6:10
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:12
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Romans 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

To me, in some Scriptures, not just in Romans, we are not to allow sin to rule over us. I can attest to this, as He has made this possible for me. Yet I am not perfect and make mistakes from time to time, which are stated as sin in the Scriptures (although I still struggle somewhat with a mistake being a sin - as I believe He looks at our motivation in our hearts and minds to determine if it is sin). Yet there are many facets of my daily life that I would change, but it is not in my power or authority to do so.

The whole aspect of His Sovereignty is mind boggling when compared to us as individuals. Why was I blind for so long. Why was I deceived at all. Why have I suffered so much. Why are the parasites and psychopaths in control of our daily lives.   

Apart from our living and suffering which produces Godly characteristics (the nine fold Fruit of the Spirit) - which again I can attest He has worked out in my life - I find all the evil in this world with the lies, deception and wickedness too much for me to comprehend. I compare what we are told as 'News' to what I experience in my day to day life and there is a tremendous mismatch, as I find ordinary working people mostly ones that 'do no harm'; yet we are told of terrorists, criminals, psychopaths and wickedness daily in the 'News'.

I know that He knows that I do not want to sin and I want to obey His Blessed Commandments in Christ Jesus all day long; and I desire that all mankind do the same.

Hang on in there Rick.

Amen.

Kind Regards.

George.

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Hi George,

Thank you George and thanks for the scriptures you put up. It does seem that Rom. has a few contradictions but we know it doesn't.

God bless.

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