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If you love me you will obey me.
Porter:
Rick, one last thing, if your still not sure how He will get you to obey, consider these.
Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1Pe 4:12 Dear friends, don't be surprised by the painful suffering you are going through. Don't feel as if something strange were happening to you.
1Pe 4:13 Be joyful that you are taking part in Christ's sufferings. Then you will be filled with joy when Christ returns in glory.
Kat:
Rick, I agree we cannot have "complete" obedience to God in this life, but we certainly are learning - being taught, usually by chastening/correction that's always the best way. So yes we are putting it into practice. The thing is "the best of OUR ability" is not good enough, not at all, God is teaching us that we should depend on Him.
John 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
And how do we "decrease"? I believe that is the process of learning to listen within to His "still small voice" that guides us.
1Kings 19:11 Then He said, "Go out, and stand on the mountain before the LORD." And behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind tore into the mountains and broke the rocks in pieces before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake;
v. 12 and after the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice.
v. 13 So it was, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. Suddenly a voice came to him, and said, "What are you doing here, Elijah?"
Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by doing what the Law requires, but rather by the faithfulness of Jesus the Messiah. We, too, have believed in the Messiah Jesus so that we might be justified by the faithfulness of the Messiah and not by doing what the Law requires, for no human being will be justified by doing what the Law requires.
v. 17 Now if we, while trying to be justified by the Messiah, have been found to be sinners, does that mean that the Messiah is serving the interests of sin? Of course not!
v. 18 For if I rebuild something that I tore down, I demonstrate that I am a wrongdoer.
v. 19 For through the Law I died to the Law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with the Messiah.
v. 20 I no longer live, but the Messiah lives in me, and the life that I am now living in this body I live by the faithfulness of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. (ISV)
We all progress at the pace God gives us and that is all we can do, but we should always be aware that God is moving us forward in obeying Him. So that Scripture in Ezekiel 11, as all Scripture applies to the elect now, in this life.
1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.
Eze 11:19 Then I will give them one heart (Strong's, can also mean mind), and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh,
v. 20 that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
"Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them" (v. 19)
Rom 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
Acts 4:32 Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common.
Eph 4:22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts,
v. 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
v. 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
And this "new Spirit" God puts in them... (v. 19)
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Here is one more thing that Scripture in Ezekiel states "that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them" (v. 20).
1Peter 1:2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
1Peter 1:22 Now that you have obeyed the truth and have purified your souls to love your brothers sincerely, you must love one another intensely and with a pure heart.
v. 23 For you have been born again, not by a seed that perishes but by one that cannot perish—by the living and everlasting word of God. (ISV)
All those things that are spoken in Ezekiel 11 is what Christ is doing in the elect's lives now in this age, but it's a process... it seems you can only see that progress when you look back and see that you really have come quite a ways.
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
v. 11 Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dennis Vogel:
I think even though we try, we fail, simply to be taught that we are not in control.
Mat 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Wittenberg:
When I view nature I get the impression that God likes to see things progress. Plants start as seeds and grow into maturity, babies grow into adults, etc. If God is creating sons and daughters, does it make sense to have us grow into that role? God is spirit, what feeds spirit so it grows?
How do we learn forgiveness if nobody sins?
cheekie3:
Dennis -
Regarding:
I think even though we try, we fail, simply to be taught that we are not in control.
Mat 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
We are not in control at any time as He is Sovereign; but as we are becoming more and more in His Image, we should be an extension of Him (i.e. Jesus is the Head and we are His Body); and He states that He will let us know what He is about to do - but it seems not so much.
Rambling, Rambling George.
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