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AwesomeSavior:
I was on the internet yesterday, and came across the name of Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. I remembered that she was the woman who postulated a series of emotional stages experienced regarding death and dying, wherein the five stages are denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

The thought occurred to me that perhaps many who are about to be judged, and being judged, in the Lake of Fire will experience at least some of these emotions as well, since this period of time is also known as the "SECOND death". [Revelation 21:8] Also..."However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual" [1 Corinthians 15:46].

There seems to be many Scriptural references throughout the Gospels to this kind of emotional reaction to a 2nd death that is forthcoming, and here are 2 of them, from Jesus:

1) Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ [Matthew7:22, which could be a combination of denial, anger and bargaining].

2) There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out [Luke 13:28, again a form of denial, anger, and bargaining, perhaps?]

So perhaps this is another example of "That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun [Ecclesiastes 1:9]?

Dean

Dennis Vogel:
I've thought about these things too. We don't really know much about the judgement process.

But IMO much of the grief will come from discovering they were wrong.

I always think about the man in Pakistan that blew himself up along with 30 little girls (6 to 11 yrs) in an all girls schoolroom. He believed 100% he was doing God's will (how easily we are indoctrinated). He thought he was doing a good thing. He will most likely be gnashing his teeth.

But how harshly will he be judged? In his heart he thought he was doing something good.

Kat:

Hi Dean, I'm inclined to agree with you on this. I do think the world will be in emotional turmoil when Christ returns and turns much of what they hold dear upside down. In Revelation 18 the passage brings this out in speaking about Babylon being deposed and even shows how the rest of the world will mourn over her as well. (I'm adding a few comments).

Rev 18:2  And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen...

Rev 18:8  Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death (this must be the second death) and mourning and famine (Strong's - the idea of destitution). And she will be utterly burned with (cleansing, correcting) fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.
v. 9  "The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning,
v. 10  standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.'
v. 11  "And the merchants of the earth (people that bought into her deception) will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore:

Rev 18:15  The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

Rev 18:19  "They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea (of mankind?) became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.'

Yes as we can see there that those connected with the church world will not be happy at all and will actually be in great mourning over their lose... as we all know the beast dies hard having it's carnal comforts being removed.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Jeff:

--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on April 15, 2016, 05:43:09 PM ---I've thought about these things too. We don't really know much about the judgement process.

But IMO much of the grief will come from discovering they were wrong.

I always think about the man in Pakistan that blew himself up along with 30 little girls (6 to 11 yrs) in an all girls schoolroom. He believed 100% he was doing God's will (how easily we are indoctrinated). He thought he was doing a good thing. He will most likely be gnashing his teeth.

But how harshly will he be judged? In his heart he thought he was doing something good.

--- End quote ---

Really interesting Dennis.  Eye opening.  The pain we experience would come entirely from God giving us the intimate understanding of the horror in what we've done.  I don't mean to interpret Scripture, I'm just thinking out loud, because I've always seen judgment as God's anger and my terror of that - rather than a realization of just how grievous the nature of my sin.  Not that God won't be angry, but I can see where He wouldn't even need to be, in order to accomplish the task.

But even more so, the judgment of the acts we've committed, may depend on the condition of our heart, rather than the actual sin. When we see our Sin through our Saviors eyes how could we bear to live with the understanding? The judgment may actually enable us to bear it.

Dennis Vogel:
One thing we need to learn is good and evil.

Gen 2:17  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 3:22  And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: [eon]

But where does it come from?

Isa 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Knowing this, how harsh will judgment be? How will judgement be applied? Out of love or anger?

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