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Wittenberg:
You say rightly that God causes evil. Does He cause men to do evil? If so, then He causes sin in men. Otherwise God's evil is limited to lightning strikes and other natural disasters.

Wittenberg:
I'm sorry Stello we are not concentrating on your issue you came here for help with. I'll just say, I relate to your struggle and that God loves you and forgives you for whatever you have done 100%. I understand the pain of not doing what you know is correct and feeling like a hypocrite. I constantly feel like a phony and an enemy of God. God makes it clear that you are his child. He is a good, loving father that will not fail to raise you up to be a healthy, productive, victorious person. You will be worthy of Him in action someday, He says so and He is not a liar. You are correct in being frustrated, it is frustrating! You and I will someday not be in bondage to our sin. You and I are in the same boat. You posting what you did today blessed me knowing I'm not alone in MY struggles. Thank you! 

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: Wittenberg on May 09, 2016, 04:15:10 PM ---You say rightly that God causes evil. Does He cause men to do evil? If so, then He causes sin in men. Otherwise God's evil is limited to lightning strikes and other natural disasters.

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Sorry Wittenburg, no cigar.

Evil and sin are two different things and I proved that to you scripturally. Sin is the transgression of the law. God doesn't make any man sin. Satan, man's weak heart, and circumstances man finds himself in all work against him to produce an all to eager and willing transgressor of the law. Man can't help but sin. All God had to do was create man, and the rest, as they say, is history.

In Christ,
Alex

Wittenberg:
Is God sovereign or not?

lilitalienboi16:
Well since it seems the scriptures and my words don't matter.

Lets try Ray, after all, we are all here because we are in agreement that God used ray to preach the truth.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,13677.msg120247.html#msg120247

Dear Alex:  I am afraid you are confusing "evil" with "sin."  They are certainly not one and the same thing.
I can tell from your wording that you feel that evil is a bad thing when you say:  "I know this sounds probably
blasphemous to even think that Evil went through Christ..."  As I have stated in my Lake of Fire series, evil
has no moral bias.  There is nothing sinful about evil in and by itself.  Evil (ra in the Hebrew) means to crush
or break into pieces.  And God uses evil for many good purposes.  Evil only becomes a sin when men use
it for wrong purposes.  In the same way, God created "darkness."  There is nothing inherently evil or sinful
about darkness, even though it may not be a pleasant thing. Hope his helps your understanding.
God be with you,
Ray

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I have said repeatedly that "evil has no moral bias." It is the motive behind the use of evil that determines whether it is "morally" right or wrong.  So you be sure to remember this next time you hear of an earthquake killing ten thousand men, women, children, and infants. Are you seriously trying to tell me that when the translators change "evil" to "disaster or calamity," that there is therefore no "EVIL" involved in either? A "pure" God DID CREATE EVIL, and that is something you will have to learn to live with and die with. Death itself is an evil and an enemy which Jesus will abolish.  You have spiritually and morally accomplished absolutely nothing by changing evil into calamity.

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 Why did God create ANYTHING? THE EARTH? THE HEAVENS? US? ANGELS? ANIMALS?

God has always existed--He is ETERNAL. He is SPIRIT. He is LOVE. He is LONELY. GOD WANTS SONS AND DAUGHTERS.

Since God is good and God is love, He naturally wants His sons and daughters to be good and love also.

Goodness, righteousness, virtue, character, and love AND INANIMATE things cannot be created as a rock, or water, or a star, etc. By the very nature of goodness, virtue, etc., it requires TIME AND CIRCUMSTANCE to develop (or create, if you will) these things. And so God CREATES all that is needed to develop these virtuous traits of character and love.

Since any and every virtue that you can think of is the result of overcoming some for of evil, EVIL therefore becomes a very important ingredient in the development of virtue, character and love.

As God does not DIRECTLY try anyone, He had to create adversaries to do this "dirty work." And so, God created His OWN ADVERSARY, Satan, the devil. There are lesser adversaries in the form of demons.

God gives man the illusion of having "free" will, which exalts his pride and vanity and causes him to think he can operate independently from God. This then brings about SIN.  SIN is so bad that it needs to be atoned for. God sent His Son Jesus Christ to be this Atonement.

Only a few are presently called to understand ANY OF THESE THINGS. The rest of humanity will be called at the great white throne judging.

There was NO evil present with God before Satan, for God UNDERSTANDS all of the ramifications of good and evil.  When all enemies and powers are brought under Christ's subjection, then evil, sin, and even death itself will be abolished.

Sin and evil are absolutely necessary in the development of human character, virtue, and love.

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In Christ,
Alex

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