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rick:
Do you believe we are what God says we are and will be regardless of what we wish to be ? Do you believe we are doing exactly what God intended for us to be doing ?

I think there are only two paths a person can walk in which is the law of sin and death or the law of righteousness which is life but either path can not be chosen by the person only by God.

I say that because it's not in man to direct his or her own footsteps.

Ray said one cannot stop smoking cigarettes unless God says one can stop , Ray also said no one can commit suicide unless God says so.

Can anyone think of one thing they do outside of the will or intention of God knowing that every choice we make has a cause behind it ?

God bless.

stello:
Hi rick,

Just a few scriptures that touch on your question.

Psalm 37:23 (KJV) "The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way."

Psalm 127:1 "A song of ascents. Of Solomon. Unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain. Unless the LORD watches over the city, the guards stand watch in vain."

Daniel 4:17 "The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of people."

Daniel 4:32-34 "and you will be driven away from mankind, and your dwelling place will be with the beasts of the field. You will be given grass to eat like cattle, and seven periods of time will pass over you until you recognize that the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind and bestows it on whomever He wishes.' 33"Immediately the word concerning Nebuchadnezzar was fulfilled; and he was driven away from mankind and began eating grass like cattle, and his body was drenched with the dew of heaven until his hair had grown like eagles' feathers and his nails like birds' claws. 34"But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; For His dominion is an everlasting dominion, And His kingdom endures from generation to generation.…"

Jesus said everyone will be salted with fire. I believe Him and take Him at his word. To be honest it is hard for me to see a time when i will be totally free and saved from sin, but God said He will do it. I can't make any choices that are contrary to what God has planned for me immediately/presently and in the future.

Job 13:15 "Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him"

Stello

dave:
Psa 37:23 By Yahweh are the steps of a master prepared, And in His way shall he delight."

rick:
Awesome responses, not having read everything on this site but I'm inclined to believe everything is so fully controlled by God.

Controlled for our learning experience but really, I believe I wake up in the morning at the time God sets.

God bless.

lilitalienboi16:
Hi Rick,

You cannot do anything outside of God because,

“For OF Him, and THROUGH Him, and TO Him, are ALL THINGS…” (Rom. 11:36).
“For in Him we LIVE, and MOVE, and have our BEING [Gk: ‘we ARE’—we exist]…” (Acts 17:28).

Without God there is nothing. There is no man, there is no universe, there is no will, there is no doing, there is no choosing. No one is ever free from God or His intentions, desires, plans, and will.

I think Ephesians about sums it up nicely:

Ephesians 1:1-15King James Version (KJV)

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

We are clay in the hands of the Potter.

Indeed, by strength shall no man prevail. The zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall do it--By His spirit.

1 Samuel 2:9-10 "He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail. The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the Lord shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed."

Zechariah 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

Hebrews 8:10-12
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

2 Kings 19:31 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this.

Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Psalm 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

We need only be still and wait on Him. He will save us.

Isaiah 25:9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

God bless,
Alex

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