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rick:
We all start off our spritual Journey with everything but the truth , B.T. is 180 degrees in truth from Cristendon but sometimes I feel like a spritual yo-yo.

Once I felt I had free will , in control of my own destiny and that was fine by me except when it came to God and Christendon, you know good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell and its we who are responsible for our own destiny , ouch, cause within that belief system I knew where I was heading for at death which really bothered me. And why shouldn't it.

Today I understand nothing could be futher from the truth than that sort of belief but now for sometime I've come to believe in the sovereignty of God and no sovereignty for me. God is in full control of everything but today I been thinking maybe not .

Sure God is sovereign but today it occurred to me that maybe God gave me some freedom to do as I want . Now we know regardless that Gods laws govern all of His creation and that no one can live outside the laws of God but within this realm of Gods laws maybe He gave us some kind of freedom.

God does not ordain sin God hates sin and God does not approve of sin nor does God tempt anyone to sin and so for this cause God gave us freedom to do as we please.

Sure God in His foreknowledge knows what we will do but He's not telling us to do it , He's not forcing us to do anything we don't want to do , so maybe He has no control over somethings we do.  ( correction) no control by His choice according to His counsel.

I wonder if it's like that within the law of righteousness , although He has ordained us for good works and without God ordaining us for good works can anyone do good? I know some people who don't believe in God at all at least they claim they don't but as much as I can tell these people do good things for other people.

Today I feel like a spiritual yo - Yo .


God bless and any help with this mess is welcome.

acomplishedartis:
I think maybe you are just messing with words,

In all your speech if you change the word "freedom" for "limitations" everything will make more sense to you. I believe.

Also to say that God has no control over some things is not very smart. because He can see (and planned everything) from the beginning to the end. And we DON'T. And then, what seems like good works in our eyes might not be as good in God's eyes...

rick:
Hi Moises,

It's good to see your back again. I'm just following through with some thoughts I had and want to see where it leads.

I do believe God is sovereign but can't God be sovereign while at the same time giving His creatures some freedom to do as they please?

Let me rephrase my new found understanding which may or may not be right, ok let's say I have a young child and a fenced in yard and I say to my child I have a few rules but outside of that do as you please.

So let's say I placed in my yard a sand box a swing set and maybe a real cool looking fort for my  child . So my child decides what he will do and what he will play with , sure he plays within the confines of the yard but makes his own choice according to what he wants and I never told him what to play with or where to go within the confines of the yard.

God bless.

Extol:

--- Quote from: Rick on July 27, 2016, 01:37:07 AM ---Hi Moises,

It's good to see your back again. I'm just following through with some thoughts I had and want to see where it leads.

I do believe God is sovereign but can't God be sovereign while at the same time giving His creatures some freedom to do as they please?

Let me rephrase my new found understanding which may or may not be right, ok let's say I have a young child and a fenced in yard and I say to my child I  few rules but outside of that do as you please.

So let's say I placed in my yard a sand box a swing set and maybe a real cool looking fort for my  child . So my child decides what he will do and what he will play with , sure he plays within the confines of the yard but makes his own choice according to what he wants and I never told him what to play with or where to go within the confines of the yard.

God bless.

--- End quote ---

Hi Rick,

In response to the words I've highlighted above: I don't think there can be freedom if you've confined the child to the yard. It's a contradiction. Some definitions of free:

-not under the control or in the power of another
-not physically restrained, obstructed, or fixed; unimpeded
-not determined by anything beyond its own nature or being
-without restriction

If you've confined the child in a small space like a yard, the child's situation cannot be described with any of the above definitions. The child is not a robot whose every move you are controlling, but he is very much under your power. He does not have "freedom to do as he pleases" if sand box and fort are the only two options. If it's not an option to play across the street, or go to the park, or go out for ice cream, and he wants to do any of those things, he doesn't have freedom to do as he pleases.

rick:
Hi Extol,

My description is just the setting the child is 2 years of age so can't let him go across the street but what I wanted to focus on is the child's choice.

I'm not taking about Physical freedom but freedom of thought and choice , so let's say there are some awesome toys I placed in the sand box that's the cause ok and in my foreknowledge I know he's going for the sand box but it's his choice to go to the sandbox but he could of went to the cool looking fort but I knew that too but the child is operating under the influence of his own liking so he's free in that respect to do as he pleases.

God bless.

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