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The Goats and The Sheep
cheekie3:
All -
Does anyone know of any two or three Scriptural Witness that confirm who the 'Goats' and the 'Sheep' are please.
Curious George
se7en:
Thank you for your question Cheekie,
In 'Bible-speak (spiritually speaking), the sheep will be placed on Christ's right hand, and the goats are on His left hand.
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
The sheep are set at Christ's right hand and inherit a kingdom. Who are we told are at Christ's right hand? Who inherits a kingdom and rules with Christ?
Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Yes, Christ is sitting at His Father's right hand. But where are those who are in Christ?
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
There it is! "the church" is the fullness of Christ who is the fullness of His Father, and we are all therefore at the right hand of God, because we are seated with Christ in the heavens, even now. Let's look again at verse 20:
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Where does that put those who are in Christ at this time?
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
So those who receive a kingdom to rule over are even now "seated with Christ... at the right hand of the Father, in the heavens." Are those who receive this kingdom in the first resurrection, or are they in the second resurrection? What do the scriptures say?
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Christ told His apostles that He appointed them a kingdom just as His Father had appointed Him a kingdom:
Luk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Those who receive that kingdom are those in that blessed and holy first resurrection, who shall reign with Him a thousand years. Where are those people while in this flesh? They are seated with Christ in spirit at the Father's right hand.
That is the sheep. All others are called "goats."
Joh 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
Heb 9:12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood [the blood of the lamb and His church], He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Mat 25:32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; [sheep on the right hand, goats on the left]
Mat 27:38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.
But we can't forget that we live every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. We first acknowledge that we were the goats before being sheep.
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Being the goats and the sheep, being on the left hand or the right is another type and shadow of our old man and new man.
I hope this has helped!
cheekie3:
se7en -
Thank you for your post. This is very helpful:
--- Quote from: se7en on July 30, 2016, 08:51:01 AM ---Thank you for your question Cheekie,
In 'Bible-speak (spiritually speaking), the sheep will be placed on Christ's right hand, and the goats are on His left hand.
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
The sheep are set at Christ's right hand and inherit a kingdom. Who are we told are at Christ's right hand? Who inherits a kingdom and rules with Christ?
Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Yes, Christ is sitting at His Father's right hand. But where are those who are in Christ?
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
There it is! "the church" is the fullness of Christ who is the fullness of His Father, and we are all therefore at the right hand of God, because we are seated with Christ in the heavens, even now. Let's look again at verse 20:
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Where does that put those who are in Christ at this time?
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
So those who receive a kingdom to rule over are even now "seated with Christ... at the right hand of the Father, in the heavens." Are those who receive this kingdom in the first resurrection, or are they in the second resurrection? What do the scriptures say?
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Christ told His apostles that He appointed them a kingdom just as His Father had appointed Him a kingdom:
Luk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Those who receive that kingdom are those in that blessed and holy first resurrection, who shall reign with Him a thousand years. Where are those people while in this flesh? They are seated with Christ in spirit at the Father's right hand.
That is the sheep. All others are called "goats."
Joh 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
Heb 9:12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood [the blood of the lamb and His church], He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Mat 25:32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; [sheep on the right hand, goats on the left]
Mat 27:38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.
But we can't forget that we live every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. We first acknowledge that we were the goats before being sheep.
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Being the goats and the sheep, being on the left hand or the right is another type and shadow of our old man and new man.
I hope this has helped!
--- End quote ---
In summary then, have I captured this correctly:
1. In this Age of Grace, all were first goats, and some were dragged to Him and they became His Sheep of His Fold who hear His Voice.
2. The rest, remained as goats.
If this is correct, is the following true:
A. The Elected Sheep are the minority in This Age of Grace - and the numbers may be as low as only 1% of mankind.
B. Are there different degrees of goats (e.g. those that lead the goats, and the goats that are being lead). I mean If Christ is Our Shepherd and we are His Sheep, is there another shepherd, who shepherds goats - and are these shepherded goats in a triangular pyramid of hierarchy - unlike The Sheep, who only have Christ as their Head.
So, it may be that there are two commonwealths on this Earth; The (Spiritual) Sheep Empire and The (Carnal) Goat Empire.
If all the above is true, can we today, identify the (Carnal) Goat Leaders of the (Carnal) Goat Empire on this Earth:
I. As The Elect are The (Spiritual) Sheep of Christ, and they are in this world but not of this world - is this world the (Carnal) Goat Empire.
II. If most of mankind are in, and are ruled by, The (Carnal) Goat Empire; what should the Standing and Status of The (Spiritual) Elect Sheep be, in this (Carnal) Goat Kingdom on this Earth - and should the (Carnal) Goat Kingdom have jurisdiction over The (Spiritual) Sheep Kingdom.
III. Does The (Carnal) Goat Kingdom have a common belief system; or if not, does it have a common underling root belief (other than the fact that they have all rejected The Salvation of Christ in this Age of Grace).
I may off course, be, way off course.
I hope I have not offended anybody, as I am just thinking out aloud.
What do you all think please.
Kind Regards.
George
Dennis Vogel:
You're getting carried away with this George.
Mat_25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat_25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
It's a parable as was everything Jesus taught to the masses. It's a parable about the called and the chosen, nothing more.
So, some are "goats," and "wise and foolish servants," and "wise and foolish virgins," and "pharisee and tax collectors," and "obedient sons and disobedient sons," and "early workers and late workers," and "rich and poor," and "weeds and good plants," etc. all at the same time. The titles are all interchangeable.
--- Quote ---The Elected Sheep are the minority in This Age of Grace - and the numbers may be as low as only 1% of mankind.
--- End quote ---
Where did you get this 1%?
Joel:
My first impression was that it is a lot of teaching that may or may not be right also.
Joel
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