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rick:
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world and this is the victory that over comes the world our faith.

Is it our faith in God having the knowledge of the truth ( Gods plan ) that overcomes the world ?

John 5:18 which says does not sin . This part of scripture is deceiving to me because I hear from this site B.T. that Gods elect do sin and will continue to sin until death.

But John 5:18 Denys that .

But I can understand John 5:18 according to Psalms 32.2 which says Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord does not count against them and in whose spirit is no deceit.

And also God says He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy.

So if one does sin and God does not count it against them , then for that one sin does not exist in the respect God does not recognize that one as sinning.

God bless.

Dave in Tenn:
What part of John 5:18 is about "does not sin"?

rick:
Hi Dave,

We know that whosoever is born of God does not sin.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Dave my heart is broken, my oldest son died today from a drug overdose . He's been back and forth with this drug issue and today I found my so dead.

I don't morn as the world does but it still hurts to the point of tears. I know my son does not know that he is dead but I do know he is gone .

I know there is a resurrection of the dead I know there is I know there is .

I think this is a good thread but you understand I don't care to Finnish it right now . It's hard to see.

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: Rick on July 30, 2016, 01:15:00 PM ---For whatever is born of God overcomes the world and this is the victory that over comes the world our faith.

Is it our faith in God having the knowledge of the truth ( Gods plan ) that overcomes the world ?

John 5:18 which says does not sin . This part of scripture is deceiving to me because I hear from this site B.T. that Gods elect do sin and will continue to sin until death.

But John 5:18 Denys that .

But I can understand John 5:18 according to Psalms 32.2 which says Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord does not count against them and in whose spirit is no deceit.

And also God says He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy.

So if one does sin and God does not count it against them , then for that one sin does not exist in the respect God does not recognize that one as sinning.

God bless.

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Hi Rick,

Try looking at several translations and also remember that the word for 'born' and 'conceived' are the same word--Begotten.

The Greek does not distinguish between the two but the idea of being born of God and being conceived of God are vastly different.

For example, those born of God are powerful and invisible like the wind and do not sin but those conceived of God will continue to sin until they are birthed into God's kingdom at the Resurrection of the dead.

Here is another translation, the ISV --

1Jn 5:18  We know that the person who has been born from God does not go on sinning. Rather, the Son of God protects them, and the evil one cannot harm them.

Here is another translation, the CLV --

1Jn 5:18 We are aware that everyone who has been begotten of God is not sinning, but he who is begotten of God is keeping himself, and the wicked one is not touching him."

(Rotherham)  We know that, whosoever hath been born of God, is not committing sin,—Nay, he that hath been born of God, He keepeth him, and, the wicked one, doth not touch him.

(YLT)  We have known that every one who hath been begotten of God doth not sin, but he who was begotten of God doth keep himself, and the evil one doth not touch him;


Now consider that it may be John meant exactly as the ISV translates, that we don't go on sinning but our sinning eventually comes to an end as we don't go on sinning day after day but we reign in that sin as God works in us. We know that as paul said, sin is not to REIGN in our mortal bodies but to RECKON ourselves dead and burried with Christ. That doesn't mean we stop sinning completely as whoever says they are without sin is a liar and makes God a liar for all sin but what it does mean is we aren't slaves to our old sinful carnal ways and we move onto maturity and perfection little by little, day by day, as God continues the work He began in us. The author and perfecter of our faith.

Alternatively, what John may have meant was that BORN of God STOP sinning which we know is true. Jesus is the only Begotten (BORN) Son of God and He did not sin! We also know that He is invisible and powerful as the wind as He was raised a spiritual body. At the Resurrection when we are birthed into God's Kingdom and are as He is, we too will no longer sin. For now we are conceived with the holy spirit as a down payment and promise of the future redemption to come.

So there is really two ways to look at this but I tend to look at it as John is speaking of those BORN (NOT concieved) of God as opposed to how I think the ISV is trying to portray it simply because the majority of LITERAL translations seem to imply at that moment one is 'BEGOTTEN' they stop sinning. This can only be true if the meaning for begotten is 'BORN' as opposed to 'CONCEIVED.'

Kat:

Rick, I'm so sorry to hear of the lose of your son, what a grievous thing to go through. I have 3 daughters and can only imagine how difficult the lose of one of them would be. It's good to have the understanding of the truth, but it does not make the immediate lose less, so I pray He will give you and your family comfort at this time.


mercy, peace and love
Kat

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