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New Testament Scriptural Definition of Sin
cheekie3:
Alex -
Thank you.
This is indeed very helpful about His Laws and the condition of mankind trying to keep His Law with their own works (with ordinances, etc) - and I got the shock of my life, when I first read (and understood) that thinking about lusting is a 'sin':
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on August 20, 2016, 07:39:38 PM ---Well George, the way I understand it is, the law was and is spiritual, and it was the 10th commandment, 'don't covet', i.e. don't lust, i.e. DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, that proved this to paull. after all, isn't that what Jesus said, don't even think about it? Dont lust after a woman in your heart, not just don't fornicate with her but don't even think about it!
So the old covenent is the ten commandments, which is part of the law of Moses, but the problem wasn't with the 10 commandments, it was with the heart of man, so the law came so that all might be found guilty, and then, a change was made, a new covenent which was to be written on the hearts of believers that to allow us to exceed in righteousness of the pharisees. That would make us able and spiritual, having life. How? Well the pharisees are trying to keep the law, which is spiritual, without Christ, with their filthy rags, which cannot be done for no man has power to not THINK (lust, covet) though he may outwardly appear to be righteouss and holy. But there is ONE WHO CAN keep Himself from coveting--JESUS. As the new covenent, He making His home in us, takes us beyond the just looking righteous to truly becoming holy by changing our hearts and minds. Yet if you try and keep that spiritual law of yourself, as all of israel after the flesh is trying, you will invariably fail because the 10th commandment will condemn you.
Jesus also showed us just how spiritual God's law is, i.e. love your enemies, don't hate them! Don't even THINK about hating your brother or you might as well have murdered him. But in Jesus our righteousness is fullfilled. He will complete us.
Hopefully this helps some. Its how I understand things. I also understand this is a difficult topic.
God bless,
Alex
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I understand that His Laws were 'put' and 'written' in the hearts and minds of His People (The Elect):
Hebrews 8:10: KJV:
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Hebrews 10:16: KJV:
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Dave in Tenn -
I am sorry but I do not understand what you are stating in this Post:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on August 20, 2016, 07:22:19 PM ---That "sin is the transgression of the law" is, to my mind, not the definition of sin. SIN is a word--not a bible-word or a theological concept.
Here's what Paul wrote about his OWN experience with "law-keeping" among other things.
Php 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Php 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
No amount of theologizing and "defining scripturally" can make "blameless according to the law" mean something other than loss, or dung compared to what replaced it in Paul's own life.
Why does he speak in such strong terms?
Php 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
Php 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
All I can tell you is, you've either discovered this or you haven't. You've either fallen or you haven't. You've either recognized within yourt own spirit that alms-giving, tithing, circumcision, fasting, et al CAN BE SIN or you haven't. You've either seen the man of perdition revealed even if you are "Blameless according to the 'righteousness' which is the law" or you haven't. I don't "agree with Paul" out of theological necessity. I agree with Paul in that I've lived this too, though *my* "law" was not solely and exclusively the Law of Moses. This is where I start, and no "understanding" of these things that doesn't include this (and other passages) is or can be "true".
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I know that no one can keep the law through their own works, rituals and ordinances
If 'sin' is not the transgression of 'sin', then what is 'sin'.
I know the 'son of sin (son of perdition)' is each and everyone one of us:
2 Thessalonians 2:3: KJV:
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
Do these New Testament Scriptures not relate 'sin' to 'law':
Romans 3:20: KJV:
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 5:13: KJV:
(for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
1 Corinthians 5:56: KJV:
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
I am sorry, I just do not understand clearly, what you are declaring.
I raised this Post as 'sin' is foundational to what Our Lord and Saviour (Jesus Christ) taught; and I thought that we should all know clearly, what 'sin' is - as opposed to what we 'think sin is' - as we are to search all things to determine the truth of things.
I know there are different Laws in The Scriptures; and I know it is essential that we understand which Law is referenced in any particular Scriptures - and as there are manu New Testament Scriptures referring to 'the Law of Christ', the 'Royal Law', the 'Law of Faith' and the 'Law of The Spirit', these cannot be referencing the 'law of Moses'.
I thought it would be a simple matter to confirm what 'sin' really is.
Maybe I was wrong in authoring this Post.
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Kat -
Thank you for Posting these Scriptures about the Law (and sin):
--- Quote from: Kat on August 21, 2016, 12:23:39 AM ---
Hi George, certainly Christ made it clear that He was not doing away with the laws, but fulfilling them.
Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
v. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
The thing is we cannot stop being carnal, as long as we are in these fleshly bodies we will sin, we are not perfected while in the flesh. That's what Paul is speaking of in Romans 7 in saying v. 25 "with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin," so not perfect. It takes something more than our obeying perfectly.
1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
v. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. (also Php 3:12 below)
Well what about this verse "Whoever abides IN Him does not sin" (1John 3:6)? Notice what John had just stated in verse 5 "He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin." That's how we have no sin, we are IN Him.
Yes indeed the chosen certainly are overcomers (1 John 4:4), are "set free from sin" (Rom 6:22), but only by Christ's blood covering our sin past, present and future, not because we can live perfect and sinless, but we're "justified by His grace" (Titus 3:7).
Gal 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by works of the Law, but through faith in Jesus Christ; even we believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith in Christ, and not by works of the Law. For all flesh will not be justified by works of law.
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
v. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Eph 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.
Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
Yes if His Spirit is indwelling then you are being prepared and perfected, but that takes the rest of your life in the flesh. Our sinning is often a learning lesson by which His chastening is teaching us something, how can He chasten if we literally do not sin?
Heb 12:6 For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and chastises every son whom He receives."
Php 3:8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ
v. 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith IN Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
v. 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death,
v. 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
v. 12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Kind Regards.
George
rick:
Hi George,
Very interesting thread , thanks for doing it and also because of this thread I've gained precious knowledge.
After reading every response on this thread plus my own studies I've concluded that anything outside of faith is sin and anything inside of faith is not sin.
Perhaps we mortals place to much emphasis on sin rather than on Christ being our justification which is probably one of the Devils many task trying to snatched the truth from us.
God bless.
cheekie3:
Rick -
Thank you for your Comments below:
--- Quote from: Rick on August 22, 2016, 04:19:47 PM ---Hi George,
Very interesting thread , thanks for doing it and also because of this thread I've gained precious knowledge.
After reading every response on this thread plus my own studies I've concluded that anything outside of faith is sin and anything inside of faith is not sin.
Perhaps we mortals place to much emphasis on sin rather than on Christ being our justification which is probably one of the Devils many task trying to snatched the truth from us.
God bless.
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I thought it was key that we should all know The Scriptural meaning of 'sin'.
Kind Regards.
George
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