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Dave in Tenn:
I'll leave you with what Ray taught about the "synagogue of satan". I just tried to answer the question posed.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 08, 2016, 01:23:54 PM ---I'll leave you with what Ray taught about the "synagogue of satan". I just tried to answer the question posed.
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10-4
What about "The many" vs "Many"?
Where in scripture can I find reference to The many as opposed to where it just says "many"?
Dave in Tenn:
THE is a definite article (primarily) and an adverb (occasionally).
When "we" use the term "the many" it usually simply differentiates ONE PARTICULAR MANY, from ONE PARTICULAR FEW. But since it's a word, it also differentiates ONE many from ANOTHER many. That's one of the many uses of the "article".
I don't see THE MANY in any place in the KJV.
Here's one example from a more "literal" translation. There are others that use the full phrase with the article, but they only prove "THE" is a word, and not a bible-word.
2Co 2:17 For we do not, as the many, make a trade of the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as of God, before God, we speak in Christ.
That there are "MANY" (given the entire history of mankind) who have never so much as heard the name of Jesus, much less anything about His life, death, and resurrection, in addition to those who don't believe, or follow other religions (or none at all) should go without saying. I feel just a little bit stupid having to say that much.
BUT they are not THE "Many (that) will say to me in that day, Lord, lord, have we not in thy name prophesied? and in thy name cast out demons? and in thy name done many mighty things?" Mat_7:22
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Not sure I've ever felt more foolish or pompous putting all that obviousness down.
Signing out,
Captain Obvious.
cheekie3:
Dave in Tenn -
Thank you for these essential (maybe not for you, but certainly for at least one other) clarifications:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 08, 2016, 07:48:54 PM ---THE is a definite article (primarily) and an adverb (occasionally).
When "we" use the term "the many" it usually simply differentiates ONE PARTICULAR MANY, from ONE PARTICULAR FEW. But since it's a word, it also differentiates ONE many from ANOTHER many. That's one of the many uses of the "article".
I don't see THE MANY in any place in the KJV.
Here's one example from a more "literal" translation. There are others that use the full phrase with the article, but they only prove "THE" is a word, and not a bible-word.
2Co 2:17 For we do not, as the many, make a trade of the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as of God, before God, we speak in Christ.
That there are "MANY" (given the entire history of mankind) who have never so much as heard the name of Jesus, much less anything about His life, death, and resurrection, in addition to those who don't believe, or follow other religions (or none at all) should go without saying. I feel just a little bit stupid having to say that much.
BUT they are not THE "Many (that) will say to me in that day, Lord, lord, have we not in thy name prophesied? and in thy name cast out demons? and in thy name done many mighty things?" Mat_7:22
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Not sure I've ever felt more foolish or pompous putting all that obviousness down.
Signing out,
Captain Obvious.
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What is obvious to one, some, most, or many - may not be obvious to all. So it is at times right to point out, why and how, you have come to the conclusion you have put forward.
Here is a little side track to focus our minds and hearts on (and please note that I do not vote in the affairs of mankind):
In the United Kingdom, in the debates about why the majority voted to leave the European Union, we have all the young adults thinking and believing that they know that it is right to remain within the European Union - yet they fail to take into consideration that their older generation have had far more life experiences, and most of them voted to leave - and the young adults appear to believe that the older generation do no longer understand what they are doing. Come on, who is likely to know the truth of things, someone who has just finished their state run education - or those that have lived for forty plus years and experienced working, raising a family, dealing with all the issues of life. etc.
We are Commanded in many places in The Holy Scriptures to take notice of our elders, who are invariable not young - and why is this - I put it to everyone - it is because the elders do not speak from self or ego but from their life experiences that have proven the facts of things - hence they speak Words of Truth.
Come on - who wants to hear words from the inexperienced, or the ego - do not the most of us switch off and stop listening to those that focus on themselves and who put themselves at the centre of all things.
When do we get to start to become wise, is it not when we focus on others rather than ourselves - 'deny ourselves' as it were.
But the prudent, take note of the Words of their Elders as invariably they speak the Wisdom that can only come from Almighty God Himself.
Thank You.
So the 'many' must be referencing the 'many Called', as opposed to the 'few Called and Chosen' - and these groups of people are called by the God of The Holy Scriptures which are Jesus Christ centric in this Age of Grace.
Kind Regards.
George
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---In the United Kingdom, in the debates about why the majority voted to leave the European Union, we have all the young adults thinking and believing that they know that it is right to remain within the European Union - yet they fail to take into consideration that their older generation have had far more life experiences, and most of them voted to leave - and the young adults appear to believe that the older generation do no longer understand what they are doing. Come on, who is likely to know the truth of things, someone who has just finished their state run education - or those that have lived for forty plus years and experienced working, raising a family, dealing with all the issues of life. etc.
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Please make sure this topic does not become political.
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