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Get out of babylon
Kat:
largeli, actually, as Ray had explained it, the beast is this carnal human nature that exists in all people. The religious/political system of this age is more like what we think of as babylon, though it certainly is deserving depicted as a beast.
Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.
I believe that this beast that "once was, now is not, and yet will come" in verse 8 is speaking of the corrupt carnal human nature that often exhibits itself in wickedness and speaking at any point in this age it exist in the past, the present and the future of this age. And yes of course the whole world - all it's inhabitants from the beginning of creation, will be "astonished" when they finally realize (in the next age) that they all have that brute beast nature and that includes everybody past, present and future of this age.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lareli:
--- Quote from: Kat on September 16, 2016, 01:50:01 PM ---
largeli, actually, as Ray had explained it, the beast is this carnal human nature that exists in all people. The religious/political system of this age is more like what we think of as babylon, though it certainly is deserving depicted as a beast.
Rev 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.
I believe that this beast that "once was, now is not, and yet will come" in verse 8 is speaking of the corrupt carnal human nature that often exhibits itself in wickedness and speaking at any point in this age it exist in the past, the present and the future of this age. And yes of course the whole world - all it's inhabitants from the beginning of creation, will be "astonished" when they finally realize (in the next age) that they all have that brute beast nature and that includes everybody past, present and future of this age.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
Awesome thanks Kat
So the beast is us... Or at least was in us. Or perhaps is in us now. But since everyone is right in their own eyes , naturally no one thinks the beast is in them now hence the "now is not".
So when it says the beast " once was , now is not, and yet will come again" could this mean that as we look at the past, whether we look at the history of the world or whether we're looking at the history of our own lives, we would like to think we are no longer living as beasts?
For example I can look back at my own history and think of things I used to do that were 'beast-like' as in the carnal/corrupt nature... But naturally today I could be deceived into believing that all that carnal/corrupt living was... But now is not. Perhaps I would be very astonished to realize (in the future) that the beast in me had actually been alive and kicking this whole time!
How astonished I will be in the day of judgement to see that the beast once was, now is not (according to my carnal judgement), but to my surprise, the beast never left! So to me it was a thing of the past, then I was deceived into believing that the beast was no more (in me), but it may be revealed to me in judgement that it actually never left, hence it "yet will come" meaning that it is revealed to me that while I thought it was gone, low and behold it is back. But in reality it never left me.
Does this make sense? Am I way off?
octoberose:
So Kat, when you don't mean it just let me know.
Besides that, I follow and agree with you.
John from Kentucky:
Jesus slays the beast within us when He lives in the Temple of our heart. The beast cannot live when we know there is no free will, but God rules. The beast can only live when it thinks it has the free will to decide things.
cheekie3:
John from Kentucky -
Interesting statements:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on September 17, 2016, 03:49:11 AM ---Jesus slays the beast within us when He lives in the Temple of our heart. The beast cannot live when we know there is no free will, but God rules. The beast can only live when it thinks it has the free will to decide things.
--- End quote ---
As you, and others know, I struggle with the 'sin' issue - when we are in Christ.
Permit me to ask you a few questions about your statements please, for my own understanding in establishing His Truths (for my own life and peace of mind):
1. Jesus slays the beast within us when He lives in the Temple of our heart.
If Jesus lives in my Temple of my Heart, and my beast has been slain - who am I? Am I His New Creation? Does His New Creation sin?
2. The beast cannot live when we know there is no free will, but God rules.
I know that I have no free will, and that God is Sovereign - so if my beast is slain and can no longer live - is it possible for me to still sin (after all a dead thing cannot do anything)?
3. The beast can only live when it thinks it has the free will to decide things.
I know that I have no free will, so the beast that was me, or was in me, or was a part of me - can no longer live (and is in fact dead) - so does this mean that the only part of me that is left, is His New Creation, that does not, and cannot sin?
If all your statements above are all true, and focusing on 'sin' - the only way this makes any sense to me, as His New Creation cannot sin, is for 'my beast' to still be alive; but if I am always mindful that I have no free will, and that He is Sovereign, 'my beast' is dead, and remains dead.
Thank You.
Kind Regards.
George
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