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Clean Meat and Unclean Meat
lilitalienboi16:
Hi Collin,
I have a second witness to Collosions which states the exact same thing and removes all ambiguity about just what these ordinances are.
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Now 'law of commandments' does not sound like 'infraction tickets' to me. It does not sound like we are talking about our sins here. No, not at all. The two witnesses speak the truth.
Here is what ray said on the matter of ordinances.
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COMMENT: Oh really? "The LAW was nailed to the cross," was it? And do you have chapter and verse on that bit of unscriptural nonsense Col 2:14 "Blotting out THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross." God never nailed His "LAW" to the cross. The Covenant Law which IS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS was not a "handwriting of ordinances," but was rather chiseled IN STONE, and was placed IN the ark of the Covenant, not on the OUTSIDE of the ark as were the ordinances. You have not a clue as to what you are talking about.
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Now I do not believe a record of past sins what kept beside the arc. No. It was the rest of the laws given to moses not chiseled in stone like the ten commandments (2 Cor 3:7).
Deuteronomy 31:24-26
When Moses had finished writing the words of this law in a book to the very end, Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord, “Take this Book of the Law and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.
There they are. WRITTEN in a BOOK by Moses! So we have a book of laws placed beside the arc which contains hand written ordinances. These ordinances were none other than all those other laws ("law of commandments" -- Eph 2:15) such as found in leveticus that were not ethe ten commandents because those were kept INSIDE the arc and were engrave onto two tablets of STONE.
1 Kings 8:9 There was nothing in the ark except the two tablets of stone that Moses put there at Horeb, where the Lord made a covenant with the people of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.
Hebrews 9:4 containing the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. Inside the ark were the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant.
You are right that Jesus did not come to destroy the prophets nor the law but He did come to fulfill and so He has.
God bless,
Alex
John from Kentucky:
I am always amused by wannabe teachers who go into great detail quoting Scriptures in the original languages and discussing fine points of Hebrew and Greek grammar for the benefit of us ignorant ones. I observe in the Scriptures that Jesus, Paul, John, and other teachers never used that teaching method.
God's Elect are taught by Jesus through the Holy Spirit. Physical religious teachers have no understanding.
Jesus said His Words are Spirit and they are Life.
The Old Covenant and teachings are done away. Clean and unclean meats refer to the difference between the Elect and those not chosen at this time. Jesus fulfilled all things in Himself.
Jesus has set us free from the false teachings of the great false church and its teacher Satan.
Do not allow false teachers to imprison you if Jesus has set you free.
virginiabm:
Hi Family, I would like to throw my two cents in here. My understanding of clean and unclean meats is as John from Kentucky says and also we are not to take on the character of these unclean aaimals, like the swine swallows in the mirer, we are not to wallow in our sins or be greedy. We are not to be like a dog that goes back to it's vomit. I have looked up the meanings of the animals that are clean and unclean, and I have come to understand by the Grace of God that it is the character of these ainamls that we are to avoid, we are to have the mind of Christ and He was represented by a Lamb. I believe that is what Jesus meant when He said it is not what goes into the body, but what comes out of the mouth that defiles a man.
Clean meats represent good behaviour and a Christlike attitude towards God and man.
I hope I don't sound teachy, but this is how I understand clean and unclean meats as spiritual and not physcial. The physcial profits nothing.
Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Virginia Miller
octoberose:
John and Virginia- I never looked at it that way. Thanks for adding to the discussion.
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on September 04, 2016, 03:02:57 AM ---I am always amused by wannabe teachers who go into great detail quoting Scriptures in the original languages and discussing fine points of Hebrew and Greek grammar for the benefit of us ignorant ones. I observe in the Scriptures that Jesus, Paul, John, and other teachers never used that teaching method.
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Don't get caught up in overstatement, John. Ray Smith went into great detail pointing out truths only apparent in the original languages. Still, I'm fully convinced that Spiritual eyes and ears have been opened when all that was available was the KJV.
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