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Eating from the beginning until after the flood
cheekie3:
All -
Genesis 1:29 KJV):
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Genesis 2: 4-5 (KJV):
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 9: 3-4 (KJV):
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
I have what might seem trivial questions, but I am not sure if Ray ever taught on all these questions:
1. Since the beginning (in Genesis 1 and 2) until after the flood, what did God tell mankind to drink?
2. Was there anything to eat for mankind before Genesis 2:5?
3. If the flood was only a local flood, and there were men and women elsewhere on the Earth, did God's new Commandment (after the flood) to eat meat apply to those not part of Noah's family?
4. What exactly does Genesis 9:4 mean?
Thank You.
Kind Regards.
George
Kat:
Hi George,
I believe that Genesis 2 is after the creation work has been completed.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.
So chapter 2 seems to speak specifically of the garden of Eden and how God prepared it for Adam. So I think that in verses 5 and 6, if it is looked at as a particular area of ground (not the whole earth) that God is making a garden and creating the conditions for that, then it makes sense.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
v. 5 When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground,
v. 6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.
If God took a desolate place or a place before the growing season, that could explain the comment in verse 5 there was no plants there to sustain a habitat to live in/on. So God brought the rain in due season and made all to grow that would create a good place to live and have plenty to eat. As we see this is right before God forms Adam out of the ground in verse 7.
Gen 2:7 then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
Now before chapter 2 God had already given all things for mankind before Adam to eat.
Gen 1:30 and to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to every creeping thing on the earth, in which is breath of life, every green herb is for food:' and it is so. (Young's literal translation)
In Genesis 9 we are seeing where God is continuing to give His chosen people special food requirements, it's just stating the proper way to prepare an animal to eat. Blooding an animal at slaughter was still a requirement by Jews in the NT times as was mentioned for new Gentile converts to do in Acts 15:29.
Gen 9:4 The one thing you must not eat is meat with blood still in it; I forbid this because the life is in the blood. (GNB)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
cheekie3:
Kat -
Thank you for your Post:
--- Quote from: Kat on September 16, 2016, 11:52:04 AM ---
Hi George,
I believe that Genesis 2 is after the creation work has been completed.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.
So chapter 2 seems to speak specifically of the garden of Eden and how God prepared it for Adam. So I think that in verses 5 and 6, if it is looked at as a particular area of ground (not the whole earth) that God is making a garden and creating the conditions for that, then it makes sense.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
v. 5 When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground,
v. 6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.
If God took a desolate place or a place before the growing season, that could explain the comment in verse 5 there was no plants there to sustain a habitat to live in/on. So God brought the rain in due season and made all to grow that would create a good place to live and have plenty to eat. As we see this is right before God forms Adam out of the ground in verse 7.
Gen 2:7 then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
Now before chapter 2 God had already given all things for mankind before Adam to eat.
Gen 1:30 and to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to every creeping thing on the earth, in which is breath of life, every green herb is for food:' and it is so. (Young's literal translation)
In Genesis 9 we are seeing where God is continuing to give His chosen people special food requirements, it's just stating the proper way to prepare an animal to eat. Blooding an animal at slaughter was still a requirement by Jews in the NT times as was mentioned for new Gentile converts to do in Acts 15:29.
Gen 9:4 The one thing you must not eat is meat with blood still in it; I forbid this because the life is in the blood. (GNB)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Genesis 2:4-5 does not make sense to me, as if there was already Fruit and Herbs on the Earth, why does this Scripture state that there was not yet any bushes or plants on the Earth:
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.
v. 5 When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground,
In Genesis 2:4 it states that the previous verses were His creation, in the day that He made the Earth and the Heavens.
So, is the day stated in Genesis 2:4 referring to time of His six day Creation (plus the seventh day He rested from His work)?
Genesis 2:5 is a continuation of Genesis 2:4, and it clearly states that nothing had yet grown, so how could there be any food (i.e. fruit or herbs) for the animals and man to eat?
All this is before the mention of the Garden of Eden.
Am I misunderstanding Genesis 2:4-5?
Thank You.
Kind Regards.
George
Kat:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on September 16, 2016, 03:47:47 PM ---
In Genesis 2:4 it states that the previous verses were His creation, in the day that He made the Earth and the Heavens.
So, is the day stated in Genesis 2:4 referring to time of His six day Creation (plus the seventh day He rested from His work)?
Genesis 2:5 is a continuation of Genesis 2:4, and it clearly states that nothing had yet grown, so how could there be any food (i.e. fruit or herbs) for the animals and man to eat?
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The creation was already "finished" as stated in the first verse of chapter 2, I do not think verse 5 is a continuation of the 'days' of creation from chapter 1... how could it be? That first part down to verse 4 of chapter 2 seems to be just a recap of the creation, but you can see this chapter is mainly about the garden and Adam. All that was not at the begin of creation, but billions of years later and the first humans were probably tens of thousands of years before Adam. So just by deduction you can make a reasonable assumption this is not the beginning 'days' of creation.
Adam was just formed some 6000 years ago and chapter 2 is mostly dedicated to the story of Adam and Eve and how the garden was a special place prepared for them to live in at first. We know that these things were not put in a way for all to plainly understand what is said, there is always room left for the world to be deceived. We too are all deceived at first, when we were part of the church, but we are no longer held in those grips and we really have to rethink what we once believed.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Terry:
Kat I'm confused are you saying God created Adam 6000 yrs. ago?
Adam was just formed some 6000 years ago and chapter 2 is mostly dedicated to the story of Adam and Eve and how the garden was a special place prepared for them to live in at first. We know that these things were not put in a way for all to plainly understand what is said, there is always room left for the world to be deceived. We too are all deceived at first, when we were part of the church, but we are no longer held in those grips and we really have to rethink what we once believed.
Terry
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