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Daniel, veganism and meat
lostANDfound:
Thanks George!
sansmile:
i cant believe what i am reading....Ray would say....forget the literal. We all know people that have lived their lives(especially in Scotland and Ireland) who have lived on bread dipped in dripping the fat of the cow) they have smoked, drank etc. It isnt about food of the land but spiritual meat...
If God lets u live into OLD age having ate all the banned foods? why? I am in no way saying. we shouldnt be aware of what we eat, but what it seems to me is, how our parents prepared food was according to where they lived, what money they had, their priorities.... Nowadays convenience foods are cheaper and more available to all. God giveth and God taketh away, my parents are in their 80's their diet was fried food, so according to the modern day nutritionists...they should have died years ago?
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: sansmile on October 25, 2016, 10:25:08 PM ---i cant believe what i am reading....Ray would say....forget the literal. We all know people that have lived their lives(especially in Scotland and Ireland) who have lived on bread dipped in dripping the fat of the cow) they have smoked, drank etc. It isnt about food of the land but spiritual meat...
If God lets u live into OLD age having ate all the banned foods? why? I am in no way saying. we shouldnt be aware of what we eat, but what it seems to me is, how our parents prepared food was according to where they lived, what money they had, their priorities.... Nowadays convenience foods are cheaper and more available to all. God giveth and God taketh away, my parents are in their 80's their diet was fried food, so according to the modern day nutritionists...they should have died years ago?
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I have stayed out of this discussion but I have silently followed.
George mentioned fear as a motivating factor, "I am horrified" he exclaimed, which should be a red flag to all of us as God has not given us a spirit to fear again and perfect love casts out all fear. Indeed try the spirits! We ought to believe Jesus and what He said. If we cannot believe the walking talking living breathing Emannuel then who can we believe? Jesus said don't worry about what you will eat today or tomorrow. Jesse provided many great scriptures. Paul too objected to the fearing and worryng over foods.
You want a budding healthcare proffesional's opinion whom like you was given the holy spirit, I tell you this on my life with the love I have in my heart for you all are my family and with God as my witness I lie not: Eat all things in moderation, if you can, exercise and be as active as possible, if you can, but most importantly do not fear or worry for anything, even the food you eat, for your Father in heaven knows your needs and He has already determined the length of your days and the bounderies which you cannot go past. Don't be overly indulgent in anything! Foods included! Have peace, love God, rejoice, pray without ceasing and in all things giving thanks. Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Let your light shine before all men. Do not quench the spirit. Love one another that all men may know you belong to Christ. Love God with all your heart and all your soul. Be kind to those who are evil to you and repay no one evil for evil but love your enemies as God does. Be imitators of Christ and the God of peace shall be with you all your days.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
25 Brethren, pray for us.
26 Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.
27 I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
1 Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved.
2 I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord.
3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
4 Rejoice in the Lord always: and again I say, Rejoice.
5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
Indeed the kingdom of heaven is not food and drink but righteousness, peace and joy in the spirit.
Do not fear. None may take what belongs to God. He reigns.
Love to all those of the household of God.
Kindly,
Alex
indianabob:
Thank you Alex,
Kindly received and appreciated. :)
Friend Indiana Bob
octoberose:
I know. I know. Nothing physical can make you spiritual. That doesn't nullify the fact that we are living in physical bodies and they affect us. I agree with everything that Alex said- but truly unless I reign in what I'm eating it is Hard to keep everything in moderation. Modern food is made to overindulge in. High fructose corn syrup is addicting ! Additives are addicting ! When I stay away from them I am healthier and when I am healthier I feel.... free. Sugar feeds cancer- especially if I was battling cancer would it not be prudent to stay away from sugar? Is that not wise?
In Romans - 14 I think, the weak brother only eats vegetables. The food given to idols was just not a big deal to Paul so eat away- but if you can't and if it is sin to you, then that's ok to not eat it. ) But I'm enjoying a quart of green smoothie from the high speed blender to start my day and I'm telling you I feel better! I'm pretty sure the apostle Paul would approve. :) )
As far as Daniel goes, I really do believe the key to understanding Daniel is that the king's food would have defiled him, in his words. I think it's interesting that meat could mean rich foods, but nothing in the rich sauces were against the dietary laws of Daniels people. To be Defiled is about going against the law of God. For that reason I don't use Daniel as a blueprint on what to eat. And perhaps it was food given to idols and Daniel could not go there and that was part of the problem, but I don't think it comes out and says that.
1 Timothy 4:1-4 ESV
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
Notice that food made by God is good? How much of our food these days is made in a lab? How much of it is so adulturated that our bodies do not recognize it as food?
I keep thinking about being accountable to God for our actions and I think that has to include everything and that means food too. It is the most basic of needs but it says a lot about us. At least it says a lot about me. Someone reading this is anorexic and lives in that fear that Alex was talking about. I'm so so sorry for your pain. Someone is bulimic and starves and feasts and purges. I believe when you come out of that God will have taught you so much and you will be able to look at your food with thanksgiving again. Someone, many someones, are overweight and sad. I have been there. I have struggled and lost weight and gained a little back. If God knows every hair on my head He surely knows this and it matters to Him because I matter.
God's food, in moderation, with thanksgiving. I think that must be the answer.
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