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Daniel, veganism and meat
cheekie3:
John -
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 30, 2016, 04:53:42 AM ---George,
May God guide your search for the Truth.
John
--- End quote ---
Thank you.
I am sure He will in His Own Time.
May He Graciously Grant your mother a full recovery and a very long life.
I understand your pain that you suffered - and May He (if He has not already) build your character to be Perfect (as He is Perfect) so that you are 'Well Able' to take each and every attack and knock, full frontal, and still stand strong in Him.
Very Kind Regards.
George
lilitalienboi16:
Amen. Amen!
cheekie3:
John -
I agree with what you have stated below, regarding the segments I have bolded:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 29, 2016, 08:26:44 PM ---Alex,
Never regret speaking the truth about anything. Remember Jesus saying that the truth will set us free. Also, recall the motto of this website, "Exposing Those Who Contradict".
Statements have been made in this thread that do not agree with Scripture. That they did not eat meat before the flood. Yet we have Adam's son Abel who was a Shepherd. He sacrificed the best of his flock to God Who accepted his sacrifice. So, did Abel raise his sheep as pets.? Or did he eat their wool? Or, is it possible, that he killed the sheep he raised and ate their meat to feed himself and others? Which is what shepherds do.
But the best scriptural proof that it is O.K. to eat meat is that Jesus ate meat. The best meat. Good red beef meat.
In Genesis 18, Yahweh (Jesus) met with Abraham under the oak trees of Mamre. Abraham fed Jesus a meal of beef, bread, and some kind of cheese or butter dish (animal byproducts).
Abraham not only fed Him the unpardonable beef, but it was young tender beef or veal.
Just think of that. Mean old Abraham may have taken the young calf from its mother. Mother cow may have known the baby was taken to be eaten.
The Scriptures do not indicate that Yahweh spit the beef out and upbraided Abraham for feeding Him meat. Looks like Jesus scarfed all the food down without complaint.
So if Jesus ate red meat, how can it ever be wrong for us to eat red meat? A question for all the scriptural scholars out there.
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The Scripture you quoted from Genesis 18 is after the flood of Noah, and not before.
The issue I have is this, certainly Abel was a Shepherd, and did indeed offer the best of his Flock to YahWeh - but, did YahWeh Command mankind to eat the meat of any animal before the flood? I have searched and researched, and I cannot find any Commandment from YahWeh that mankind before the flood were to eat the meat of animals, or for animals to eat the meat of other animals - as ALL were Commanded to eat of the green of the land (plants, berries, vegetables, fruit, nuts, etc).
And the reason I have an issue with this, is that we must not assume anything, and have at least two Scriptural Witnesses to prove any Truth in The Holy Scriptures.
I do not want to be a pain and go on and on - but, I at least, find it difficult to accept that animals and mankind ate the meat of animals, birds, fish, or bugs before the flood; otherwise, why did YahWeh after Noah's flood state that mankind can eat the flesh of animals etc, if mankind already did eat the flesh of animals:
Genesis 9:3 (KJV):
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Perhaps, this was YahWeh reasserting an earlier Commandment to eat the flesh of living animals / birds / fish / bugs - and if so, how can YahWeh reassert something if there is only an assumption that mankind and animals already ate the flesh of animals / birds / fish / bugs?
Maybe it is just me, but I need a couple of Holy Scriptures before I will accept any of His Truths.
Warmest Regards.
George
Musterseed:
Well now, what a wonderful discussion. We are being taught today about many things. Food, Medicine, Forgiveness, Compassion, Humility, Patience, and mostly Love.
The Lord is teaching us how to grow, to not be so easily offended, how to walk in Our brethrens shoes and as His children, to play nice. I think we make Our Lord proud with our learning abilities and our true feelings for one another. We lift each other up.Most playgrounds are full of bullies. We are Blessed to have our very own secret playground. What a wonderful gift from Our Father. Thank you Lord. John, it's nice to hear your mom is feeling better, George, I hope your brother gets well.
I believe the health care system everywhere is stressed to the max and some lose compassion or administers just tie their hands. I worked in a hospital for thirty years, and I avoid them as much as possible.Alex , I love reading your posts, they keep my old brain focused and challenged and isn't that what we are supposed to do, if we all agreed on everything,we would be like boring sheep 🐑 hehe.Guess what, I quit smoking. Five months now. I was a pack a day smoker for over thirty years and I prayed to God to please help me quit, I was so sick of its slavery. Two months later, not only did I quit but my husband also, cold turkey. Ahh the Lord is so good and I'm pretty sure he's always looking into the school window to see how His students are doing. He just says"Follow Me"
And we drop everything and run to Him. In Christ Our Lord, 🙏🏼 Amen. Pamela
BTW. I believe New Jerusalem will be vegetarian, no more slaughter of animals. Just my Hope.
cheekie3:
Pamela -
Well Presented:
--- Quote from: Musterseed on December 06, 2016, 03:04:16 PM ---Well now, what a wonderful discussion. We are being taught today about many things. Food, Medicine, Forgiveness, Compassion, Humility, Patience, and mostly Love.
The Lord is teaching us how to grow, to not be so easily offended, how to walk in Our brethrens shoes and as His children, to play nice. I think we make Our Lord proud with our learning abilities and our true feelings for one another. We lift each other up.Most playgrounds are full of bullies. We are Blessed to have our very own secret playground. What a wonderful gift from Our Father. Thank you Lord. John, it's nice to hear your mom is feeling better, George, I hope your brother gets well.
I believe the health care system everywhere is stressed to the max and some lose compassion or administers just tie their hands. I worked in a hospital for thirty years, and I avoid them as much as possible.Alex , I love reading your posts, they keep my old brain focused and challenged and isn't that what we are supposed to do, if we all agreed on everything,we would be like boring sheep 🐑 hehe.Guess what, I quit smoking. Five months now. I was a pack a day smoker for over thirty years and I prayed to God to please help me quit, I was so sick of its slavery. Two months later, not only did I quit but my husband also, cold turkey. Ahh the Lord is so good and I'm pretty sure he's always looking into the school window to see how His students are doing. He just says"Follow Me"
And we drop everything and run to Him. In Christ Our Lord, 🙏🏼 Amen. Pamela
BTW. I believe New Jerusalem will be vegetarian, no more slaughter of animals. Just my Hope.
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And I too in The New Jerusalem desire all His Creatures to live in Love, Joy and Peace with each other.
My brother has got better - thank you - and is still not yet 100% back to his normal self.
Congratulations to both your husband and you, for overcoming the desire to keep on 'smoking'.
Warmest Regards.
George
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