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Our Days are numbered
cheekie3:
Dave in Tenn -
Thank you for this very interesting perspective:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on October 31, 2016, 09:54:20 PM ---George, I haven't studied "the law portions" of the scripture, as Ray put it, with much diligence. But let me ask, taking just one example: If there was no law against murdering one's mother, would a righteous man murder his mother?
Like I said, I don't know for sure if there IS a law specifically against murdering one's mother in the Old Testament. But whether there is or not, is it necessary for a righteous man to have a law that forbids it? I'm going with NO--ABSOLUTELY NOT. A righteous man will not murder anybody, much less his mother. He doesn't even need the Ten Commandments to tell him not to murder.
Take that thought to the first chapters of Romans.
If he needs a law and thinks he is justified by obeying it, he has fallen from grace. If he needs a law to steel himself from acting on his desires to murder his mother, he's not thinking righteously. And if he thinks he's righteous yet murders his mother, he's very wrong about doing righteousness.
That's about as succinctly as I can put it.
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I have often stated, that whoever you are, in whatever culture or belief system you live in - that the first time you were about to lie to your parents, you knew you were about to lie and that it was wrong - and even while you lied to them - you still knew it was wrong.
Now, suppose this happened in some remote culture who had not heard of Jesus Christ - this would still be true.
This is covered I believe in Romans, where The Scriptures state that whether you did right according to law or without law - it is still right.
How do we all know right and wrong? Who put that understanding in each of us? Is it our conscience? Is it something else?
The point about 'Law' and 'Transgression', is that without 'Law' there could not be any conviction of 'Transgression'.
I believe a fundamental point for His Elect is that He writes 'His Law' within their hearts and minds - and enables them to obey His Commandments. If His Law is part of each one of His Elect, there are in a Very Good Place.
I personally believe that every man, woman and child know 'right and wrong' - which means that we must all have His Law within us somehow. I do not know if this is 'the knowledge of good and evil', and whether we know some or all of it when we are born, and whether we learn from our parents and others as we grow. From my own experience, I did not need anyone to tell me me what was 'right and wrong', I already knew it deep inside my being.
So perhaps, we are all born with the knowledge of 'His Law' within us - and that is most certainly my own experience.
I am a very odd man though, as I have always studied my own behaviour, especially when I was accused of doing wrong; as there is something deep within me, that makes me evaluate my own behaviour, and the attitude of others. I know how to find out the fruit of any man, woman and child - but I always look for the root cause, and invariably the root cause is revealed to me.
How does His Holy Spirit convict us of sin, if His Law is not within us?
Perhaps, others on This Forum, may have similar or other perspectives.
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Dave in Tenn -
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on October 31, 2016, 10:18:29 PM ---I'll tack this on. I said this several years ago, and still believe it to be true: For the righteous man, no law is necessary. For the sinner, no law is sufficient.
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I humbly cannot agree with you on this - as my understanding is that He speaks all that was created and made into existence - and He sustains it all by His various Laws (including His Law(s) for mankind).
Some who have studied The Holy Scriptures have stated that they are not about religion but all about 'Law', and that all laws in each country are based on The Holy Scriptures.
The New Testament is full of Scriptures about 'Law'.
My heart's desire is to please Him - and I can only do this if I know Him; and He Has provided us with His nine fold fruit of His Spirit (or His characteristics) - and He has declared that His Law(s) is / are to be written in both our hearts and minds - so that in all that we are, we are in a position to obey Him - which is True Worship. He does not need us to adore Him, but to be like Him.
If a righteous man does not need His Law - why does He state that He will write His Law(s) in His Elects' hearts and minds?
I personally believe 'His Law' is the most significant aspect for our lives; as I do not believe Our Heavenly Father does anything without 'Law'. After all, is He not 'The One and Only True Lawgiver' for His Creation and living beings or creatures? Is not everything alive in Him (including the stars, which He knows by name) governed by His Laws?
I cannot fathom any time in the near or far future that we will live without 'His Law(s)', even when all of us are purified and cleansed righteous spiritual beings in spiritual bodies.
Kind Regards.
George
Dave in Tenn:
That's fine, George. I wasn't making such a deep statement about all "law". I was talking about the more limited set of "thou shalts" and "thou shalt nots".
John from Kentucky:
This Law thing is really not all that complicated.
The Scriptures say Love does no harm, thus Love is the fulfillment of the Law.
The question then is, do we cause harm in our thoughts, words, or actions?
Flanagan:
Does anyone know what is meant in Ec 9:11 when it say's " But time and chance happen to them all" ? Also does anyone know where Brother Ray spoke on this subject concerning " our days are numbered" ?
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