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1 Chronicles 28:9
John from Kentucky:
What does Jesus say? Jesus said, "There is no one good but One, Who is God."
That is an absolute statement of Truth.
To say any man is good is just a relative statement compared to other men.
There truly are no good men. One Scriptures says, "There are none righteous, no not one." Another Scripture says, " All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
We are all just toads beneath the plow. Any goodness in us solely comes from God, not from us.
Dave in Tenn:
I didn't say any man was good. That's a statement of truth.
On the other hand, Jesus didn't deny HE was good, nor did He deny He was God. He asked a question in answering a question. I answer His from multiple witnesses, not as the one who asked the first question might assume.
Good works exist, and (just as we do all the things we do), people can do them. I gave up believing the old Baptist preacher that lives in my head preaching the "total depravity of man".
I reckon it takes more heat and time to refine gold and silver than to burn wood, hay, and stubble. But that doesn't mean the gold is not gold, and the silver not silver.
cheekie3:
Dave -
Thank you for clarifying, as this should help our understanding:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on November 01, 2016, 06:21:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on October 31, 2016, 09:11:42 AM ---
We know that not one of us can do 'good' at any time under this current Age of Grace or all the previous Ages, as 'good' only comes from Our Heavenly Father.
--- End quote ---
My "disagreement" stems from a less theological understanding of "good". We not only can do good, we are told to do good. We're told that even the heathen can do good. And we're told that good works are judged, and in a way not coinciding with evil works--the former are refined, the latter burned up.
But I see Cheekie put good in quotations, so I doubt he is talking about it like I am. No need for long discussion over words.
--- End quote ---
When I refer to good, I always think of Jesus when He said 'why do you call me good, there is only one that is good, and that is God (Yahweh)'. To me, the good in us can only ever come from Him, and He judges the intent of our hearts and not our outward appearances (which may appear good, but inwardly may not be).
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
John -
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on November 01, 2016, 10:55:37 PM ---What does Jesus say? Jesus said, "There is no one good but One, Who is God."
That is an absolute statement of Truth.
To say any man is good is just a relative statement compared to other men.
There truly are no good men. One Scriptures says, "There are none righteous, no not one." Another Scripture says, " All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
We are all just toads beneath the plow. Any goodness in us solely comes from God, not from us.
--- End quote ---
I totally agree, as I am sure all of us here on this Forum do.
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Dave -
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on November 01, 2016, 11:35:02 PM ---I didn't say any man was good. That's a statement of truth.
On the other hand, Jesus didn't deny HE was good, nor did He deny He was God. He asked a question in answering a question. I answer His from multiple witnesses, not as the one who asked the first question might assume.
Good works exist, and (just as we do all the things we do), people can do them. I gave up believing the old Baptist preacher that lives in my head preaching the "total depravity of man".
I reckon it takes more heat and time to refine gold and silver than to burn wood, hay, and stubble. But that doesn't mean the gold is not gold, and the silver not silver.
--- End quote ---
Did Jesus not say 'the words that I speak are not my own, and the One who sent me He doeth the works'?
I take that to mean, that all Jesus 'desired, thought, said, and did' were all from His Father - The Words (e.g. the forgiveness of sins) and The (Good) Works (of Healings and Miracles) were all of His and Our Father.
Kind Regards.
George
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