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Great day of slaughter
lareli:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on November 18, 2016, 08:58:00 PM ---Sorry but I dont believe at all that there will be any kind of "great" tribulation if thats what youre thinking ray is teaching. It will be just as in the days of the flood, as a thief in the night, they will be saying peace and safety and then suddenly the flood over takes them.
But yes, if you can find those references so we can take a better look at them, that be great! :)
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Alex could you clarify... I don't see how the great flood could not be likened to a great tribulation.
Another quote from Ray..
Yes, there will be salvation for the human race, but it will happen only after a great slaughter of humanity to the point that no flesh would remain alive except for God shortening that period of carnage.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: largeli on November 19, 2016, 03:44:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on November 18, 2016, 08:58:00 PM ---Sorry but I dont believe at all that there will be any kind of "great" tribulation if thats what youre thinking ray is teaching. It will be just as in the days of the flood, as a thief in the night, they will be saying peace and safety and then suddenly the flood over takes them.
But yes, if you can find those references so we can take a better look at them, that be great! :)
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Alex could you clarify... I don't see how the great flood could not be likened to a great tribulation.
Another quote from Ray..
Yes, there will be salvation for the human race, but it will happen only after a great slaughter of humanity to the point that no flesh would remain alive except for God shortening that period of carnage.
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Hi Largeli,
Rather than reinventing the wheel I will merely quote Kat whom has already explained this idea several times in other places and who I agree with on this sibject.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,16751.msg151950.html#
Well Flanagan, the apathy (lack of interest) of others concerning these truths that we hold dear is obvious. That's because if a person cannot truly understand the spirit of these truths we are learning, it loses it's luster after a while. For now most are not given that special insight into the Spirit of the Word, so it cannot possibly hold the magnitude of meaning for the many as it does for the few chosen, "because 'they look but don't see, and they listen but don't hear or understand" (Mat 13:13). The church does not know Christ, they are just playing the religion game, thinking they are spiritual. So it's easy to see how many have apathy, but that should not effect us, since we understand it's not their time yet, it's just not up to the individual when their eyes are opened.
The way I see it, everybody that is chosen all down through the centuries have had it rough with some form of persecution. I really can't go along with the end time tribulation build up stuff, Christ said His return will be as the flood came upon Adam's descendants, suddenly without warning.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
v. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
v. 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Matthew 24 is Jesus's response to 2 questions "(1)when will these things be? (the destruction of the Temple) And (2)what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" So He gave them the answer to the first question down through verse 26 and that includes verse 22 "unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved." Christ was warning the believers that would be living around Jerusalem at that time, v. 22 "for the elect's sake." The destruction of the Temple was a monumental event that represented the final removal of all that pertained to the old covenant, v. 21 "such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."
Jesus begins to tell about His return in verse 27 "For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be." The return of the Lord is at hand 'now,' whenever an elect was living all down through the centuries, so we must endure to 'our' end.
James 5:7 Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain.
v. 8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Now that being said, I do believe there may be signs the elect are able to decipher to know if His appearing is very near but its not at all what the christian church thinks in the great end time tribulation stuff. It has to do with the parable of the fig tree.
Matthew 24:30-32
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mark 13
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
But to be completely honest I'm not entirely certain the fig tree parable is any more definitive then any of the other scriptures which say His return is at hand.
It just seems to me that the Lord was clear His return would be sudden, unexpected, and when everything is going business as usual. The complete opposite of what the church teaches currently.
Hope this helps.
God bless,
Alex
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