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cheekie3:
Dave -
I agree that there are three (3) New Testament references to 'Christian' - but two (2) are made by non followers of Our Beloved Saviour - and the third, perhaps, (I certainly do not know for sure) used 'Christian' (instead of 'Nazarene').
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on November 19, 2016, 05:15:25 PM ---There are three uses of the word in the Greek New Testament. Taken together, it's of no importance to me to call myself a Christian. On the other hand, it's of no benefit to me to call myself by some other "name" or designation. To call myself a "disciple" or a "follower" without FOLLOWING is beyond worthless.
I just want to be what I am, not what I am called or call myself.
What other people call me is colored by their own thoughts--right or wrong.
--- End quote ---
I personally have never, not once, associated His Elect with all the 'Age of Grace' murders 'In His Name' - and that is why I do not want to be associated with 3,000 plus protestant groups and members, and the billions who follow the Roman Catholic Church.
His Elect are 'The True Israel of Yahweh (or God)'.
There are many who profess to follow Him today - but as only a few are His Elect today - this cannot be.
It matters greatly what His Elect call themselves as they do not want to dishonour 'the One who sent them, and Called them out of the world'.
It is clear that whatever His Elect call themselves - there will be others who do the same (yet are not of His Sheep).
I believe in The New Testament, 'His Elect' is mentioned about 20 times, 'Israel' is stated about 70 times, and 'Church' is used over 100 times.
Perhaps, His Elect should refer themselves as 'His Elected Called Out Called Out ones', His True Church, 'The Israel of Yahweh', or 'His Beloved'.
I simply wanted to point out that 'Christian' is rarely used - yet the false church and His Elect (mainly) call themselves Christians - which is very strange.
Anyways, as always, you bring a unique insight into The Holy Scriptures Dave, and I am very grateful for your contributions.
Perhaps, it really is as simple as - those who profess to be Christians, and those who are Christians.
Warmest Regards.
George.
Joel:
The way I see it, there is a huge difference in those that are called Christians in 2016, and the disciples that were first called Christians at Antioch around 41-42 A.D.
Joel
cheekie3:
Joel -
An interesting statement:
--- Quote from: Joel on November 20, 2016, 09:08:31 PM ---The way I see it, there is a huge difference in those that are called Christians in 2016, and the disciples that were first called Christians at Antioch around 41-42 A.D.
Joel
--- End quote ---
Are you comparing His True Church of 2016 to that of the one after about AD 33 - or are you comparing the false church of 2016 to the True Followers of about AD 33?
Kind Regards.
George
Joel:
I was comparing the false Christianity as we know it in 2016 to the true Christian /Church described in Acts Of The Apostles.
I agree, I don't like to be associated with what's known as Christianity today.
One old friend of mine that died many years ago, if asked by those wanting to know if he was a Christian, always replied, "No, I am not, I am a son of God."
As you have stated there are many thoughts on what a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is called.
Jesus called his body of believers the Church, or Churches in Revelation.
I think he would address the individual by name, as he did Job, Abram/Abraham, Daniel, Simon/Peter, Saul/Paul, and many others that he spoke to.
Maybe even, Adam, where art thou?
Ray's paper in the lake of fire series is very good, "What happened to the Church Jesus built"?
Joel
cheekie3:
Joel -
Thank you for clarifying your comparison; and sharing your thoughts, and your friend's thoughts on this subject:
--- Quote from: Joel on November 21, 2016, 11:50:03 AM ---I was comparing the false Christianity as we know it in 2016 to the true Christian /Church described in Acts Of The Apostles.
I agree, I don't like to be associated with what's known as Christianity today.
One old friend of mine that died many years ago, if asked by those wanting to know if he was a Christian, always replied, "No, I am not, I am a son of God."
As you have stated there are many thoughts on what a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is called.
Jesus called his body of believers the Church, or Churches in Revelation.
I think he would address the individual by name, as he did Job, Abram/Abraham, Daniel, Simon/Peter, Saul/Paul, and many others that he spoke to.
Maybe even, Adam, where art thou?
Ray's paper in the lake of fire series is very good, "What happened to the Church Jesus built"?
Joel
--- End quote ---
It is not easy to find a Name or Title that is both correct and not related to the false church.
I am Joel; a Son of God - sounds right to me.
I will review Ray's paper on 'what happened to the Church Jesus built'.
Warmest Regards.
George
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