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Natural Hebrews / Israelites and Israel / Judah
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on November 30, 2016, 04:45:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on November 30, 2016, 02:23:55 AM ---Natural or physical Jews, Israelites, or Hebrews are totally unimportant.
If you have the gift of the Holy Spirit, then you are a descendant of the Seed, Who is Jesus, and you are a Spiritual Jew, Israelite, or Hebrew; and you will be in the Resurrection of the Just, one of the Elect and Blessed of God in His Kingdom.
None of the Old Covenant individuals will be in the 1st Resurrection because they did not have God's Spirit within them. Grace and Salvation only began with Jesus.
"Not by might, nor by power, but My Spirit says the LORD God Almighty."
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John -
Thank you, as always, for your invaluable input, as invariably you get me to focus, more and more, on the deep things of Almighty God:
I am aware of what is important to His Spiritual Elect; and that it is All By Him, via His Holy Spirit - and it has always been so.
However, if the real meaning of words do not matter, all of us on this Forum and on BibleTruths.Com probably may be accepting that 'eternity' is the real meaning of 'age' or 'aions' - and perhaps, we would also believe in a literal hell for all 'eternity'.
As The Old Testament is there for His Spiritual Elect 'as examples' for His Elect to understand 'Spiritual Truths', I believe the 'True' meaning and the correct 'English Translation' of each and every word in both The Old Testament, and also in The New Testament, is indeed extremely important.
I have lost count on how many false doctrines I used to accept as 'True' (after all, these are in our Bibles), until a certain humble man named Ray, pointed out, through The Scriptures (and not necessarily, what our are in our Bibles), that these false 'fables' cannot be so.
Perhaps, I am making more of this than I should - or perhaps, at this time, He Desires to open up the understanding of His Very Elect, to fully understand what The New Testament Scriptures really have to say about certain Topics, like say, 'fables':
Please note that all Scriptural References are in the King James Version (KJV):
1 Timothy 1:4:
neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1 Timothy 4:7:
But refuse profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
2 Timothy 4:4:
and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Titus 1:14:
not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
2 Peter 1:16:
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
Are there any wise amongst us that are able from The Scriptures to confirm what these 'fables' are, and where these 'fables' originated from - and why The above New Testament Scriptures warn His Very Elect against believing these 'fables'?
Is it important for His Very Elect to know full well what these 'fables' are, or does it not matter whether His Very Elect know what these 'fables' are - as His Very Elect cannot be deceived (even if they do not know what these 'fables' are)?
Warmest Regards.
George
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Hi George,
We are just not making a connection. Those Scriptures about fables are easy to understand. Not a big deal. I do not have a clue as to the point you are trying to make. In a few simple English sentences, can you state one idea from those Scriptures other than the obvious?
John
Joel:
There are many myths, legends, and fables that are taught in modern day Christianity, taught especially to kids as truth. Not to mention things that grown ups believe, and can be proved false by sound doctrine.
Joel
cheekie3:
John -
I agree that we are not making a connection:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on December 01, 2016, 12:04:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on November 30, 2016, 04:45:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on November 30, 2016, 02:23:55 AM ---Natural or physical Jews, Israelites, or Hebrews are totally unimportant.
If you have the gift of the Holy Spirit, then you are a descendant of the Seed, Who is Jesus, and you are a Spiritual Jew, Israelite, or Hebrew; and you will be in the Resurrection of the Just, one of the Elect and Blessed of God in His Kingdom.
None of the Old Covenant individuals will be in the 1st Resurrection because they did not have God's Spirit within them. Grace and Salvation only began with Jesus.
"Not by might, nor by power, but My Spirit says the LORD God Almighty."
--- End quote ---
John -
Thank you, as always, for your invaluable input, as invariably you get me to focus, more and more, on the deep things of Almighty God:
I am aware of what is important to His Spiritual Elect; and that it is All By Him, via His Holy Spirit - and it has always been so.
However, if the real meaning of words do not matter, all of us on this Forum and on BibleTruths.Com probably may be accepting that 'eternity' is the real meaning of 'age' or 'aions' - and perhaps, we would also believe in a literal hell for all 'eternity'.
As The Old Testament is there for His Spiritual Elect 'as examples' for His Elect to understand 'Spiritual Truths', I believe the 'True' meaning and the correct 'English Translation' of each and every word in both The Old Testament, and also in The New Testament, is indeed extremely important.
I have lost count on how many false doctrines I used to accept as 'True' (after all, these are in our Bibles), until a certain humble man named Ray, pointed out, through The Scriptures (and not necessarily, what our are in our Bibles), that these false 'fables' cannot be so.
Perhaps, I am making more of this than I should - or perhaps, at this time, He Desires to open up the understanding of His Very Elect, to fully understand what The New Testament Scriptures really have to say about certain Topics, like say, 'fables':
Please note that all Scriptural References are in the King James Version (KJV):
1 Timothy 1:4:
neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1 Timothy 4:7:
But refuse profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
2 Timothy 4:4:
and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Titus 1:14:
not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
2 Peter 1:16:
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
Are there any wise amongst us that are able from The Scriptures to confirm what these 'fables' are, and where these 'fables' originated from - and why The above New Testament Scriptures warn His Very Elect against believing these 'fables'?
Is it important for His Very Elect to know full well what these 'fables' are, or does it not matter whether His Very Elect know what these 'fables' are - as His Very Elect cannot be deceived (even if they do not know what these 'fables' are)?
Warmest Regards.
George
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Hi George,
We are just not making a connection. Those Scriptures about fables are easy to understand. Not a big deal. I do not have a clue as to the point you are trying to make. In a few simple English sentences, can you state one idea from those Scriptures other than the obvious?
John
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I think I will put this one to bed, for now, as it appears that I am alone in my thinking on this.
My mother has a motto, in that she keeps saying 'it does not matter' - and it has been her way of keeping the peace - as she does not like confrontation, and she believes that is the best way.
I guess I am wired differently, as I have always thought and said 'that everything matters' - and I know that unless you confront an issue - you will not be able to resolve it (e.g. try confronting only 50% of a problem with your car, and see where that gets you). I have always found it strange that most people are very uncomfortable confronting difficult or sensitive matters.
To me, John, if the words are different, and the translators made them the same - this is wrong - and His Elect should desire to know the true word and its true meaning.
I have studied The Scriptures, and to me, I believe that there are many mistranslations regarding the Hebrews / Israelites / Jews in both the Old Testament and also in the New Testament.
We appear to disagree, as you are primarily focusing on the 'Spiritual', whereas, I believe that I must first understand the correct translation and its true meaning before I am in a position to ascertain its 'Spiritual' application.
The point I made about ''fables'', is that I personally doubt that anyone of us on this Forum really know what all these 'fables' are - we all have a knowledge of what these are likely to be be - but I was looking for Scriptural Witnesses that confirm what these 'fables' are.
Warmest Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Joel -
Thank you for pointing this out:
--- Quote from: Joel on December 01, 2016, 12:40:08 AM ---There are many myths, legends, and fables that are taught in modern day Christianity, taught especially to kids as truth. Not to mention things that grown ups believe, and can be proved false by sound doctrine.
Joel
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I was focusing on the fact that His Elect need to know the false (i.e' the 'fables') and the Truth (i.e. His Doctrines and Commandments) before His Elect can correctly evaluation the 'errors' from the 'Truth'.
Warmest Regards.
George
mikeincanada:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on December 01, 2016, 03:39:25 AM ---Joel -
Thank you for pointing this out:
--- Quote from: Joel on December 01, 2016, 12:40:08 AM ---There are many myths, legends, and fables that are taught in modern day Christianity, taught especially to kids as truth. Not to mention things that grown ups believe, and can be proved false by sound doctrine.
Joel
--- End quote ---
I was focusing on the fact that His Elect need to know the false (i.e' the 'fables') and the Truth (i.e. His Doctrines and Commandments) before His Elect can correctly evaluation the 'errors' from the 'Truth'.
Warmest Regards.
George
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I don't know of any scriptural proof of what exactly those 'fables' are. Doesn't the scripture say that if we know "His" voice then we'll know what isn't of Him? So do we really need to know all about fables to know the truth?
(Joh 10:27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
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