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Dennis Vogel:
George, are you saying Jesus is a flesh and blood man and since Jesus is equal with His father that God the Father is also a man?

cheekie3:
Dennis -


--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 03, 2016, 10:58:24 AM ---George, are you saying Jesus is a flesh and blood man and since Jesus is equal with His father that God the Father is also a man?

--- End quote ---

I am not saying that Jesus is a 'flesh and blood' man - as The New Testament Scriptures state the following:

1. Jesus shed ALL His Blood at the Stake (for Mankind).
2. Jesus when Resurrected, had a New Spiritual Body.

As far as I know, Our Heavenly Father has never, in The Old Testament, or in The New Testament, been referred to as a 'man'.

The New Testament Scriptures clearly state that after Jesus was Resurrected (with no blood or a natural body - but with a Spiritual Body) He is still a Man. That is what I was stating.

The New Testament Scriptures do state that Jesus was 'equal' with 'His Heavenly Father' - but The New Testament Scriptures also state that Jesus confirmed that 'My Father is Greater than I'. 

I believe both of these facts are true;

A. 'Elohim (God) is Creating Mankind In Their Image'.
B. 'Jesus took on the form of a Man; and lived a physical natural life of a man'.

'Mankind is being Created In Their Image; and He became a man'.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV):
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Hebrews 10:12 (KJV):
but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Warmest Regards.

George

Dennis Vogel:
I'm not insisting you are wrong George, I'm just not seeing it. I do not see where any of the verses you quoted say Jesus is still a man.

Rom 8:3  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The above verse shows what God thinks about the flesh including His Son's flesh.

Col 1:15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Joh 14:9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Clearly the Father is not 'sinful flesh'.

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Joh 4:24
(KJV)  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Ray says God is not 'a' spirit but Spirit period as Concordant and Rotherham show.

(CLV)  God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth.
(Rotherham)  God is, spirit; and, they that worship him, in spirit and truth, must needs worship.

If God is spirit and Jesus the Image of God then you can safely say it means the spiritual image, IMO.

Below are the verses you quoted and the Greek meanings from Strongs. I do not see where any of these say Jesus is currently a man.

Act 17:31  Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
G435

ἀνήρ
anēr
an'-ayr
A primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male): - fellow, husband, man, sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 214
Rom 5:15  But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
G1520

εἷς
heis
hice
(Including the neuter [etc.] ἕν hen); a primary numeral; one: - a (-n, -ny, certain), + abundantly, man, one (another), only, other, some. See also G1527, G3367, G3391, G3762.
Total KJV occurrences: 272
Act 7:56  And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
1Co 15:47  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Ti 2:5  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
G444

ἄνθρωπος
anthrōpos
anth'-ro-pos
From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man.
Total KJV occurrences: 560
Heb 7:24  But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
N/A - 'man' not in original text
Heb 10:12  But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
G846

αὐτός
autos
ow-tos'
From the particle αὖ au (perhaps akin to the base of G109 through the idea of a baffling wind; backward); the reflexive pronoun self, used (alone or in the compound of G1438) of the third person, and (with the proper personal pronoun) of the other persons: - her, it (-self), one, the other, (mine) own, said, ([self-], the) same, ([him-, my-, thy-]) self, [your-] selves, she, that, their (-s), them ([-selves]), there [-at, -by, -in, -into, -of, -on, -with], they, (these) things, this (man), those, together, very, which. Compare G848.
Total KJV occurrences: 4813

lilitalienboi16:
Hi Dennis,

Jesus is still considered man after His death and Resurrection. Along with the many verses George provided, here are some more.

Paul's decleration:

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

John's vision of Jesus after His death and ressurection:

Revelation 1:12-18
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Ezekiel's vision of God:

Ezekiel 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

Daniel's Vision of God:

Dan. 7:13, "I am observing in the visions of the night, and lo! with the clouds of heaven One is coming, like a Son of Man; (I am observing) even until the Changed One of days arrives, and before Him they bring it near' ( "it" that is, the beast, see revelation Rev19:19-20).

King David's Vision of God:

1Ch 17:17 And this is small in Your eyes, O Elohim, and You speak concerning the house of your servant afar off, and have seen me as a type OF THE MAN WHO IS ON HIGH, O Yahweh Elohim!"

All these visions of God that men saw in the OT and that John saw is the Image of God, and this vision of God always appeared man because Jesus being that image is Man. A man has a body, that is a form, a shape, AN IMAGE, which we know Jesus still has because firstly He IS the image and Secondly we are told after the ressurection:

Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Furthermore, humanity, that is man, is not only being made after God's spiritual image but is created [PAST TENSE] after His image.

We had this conversation not too long ago where in we discussed the fact that carnal man is the image and glory of God which is an impossibility if the word "image" only refers to the "spiritual image" of God.

New testament witness:
1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

Old testament witness:
Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made [PAST TENSE ] he man [HUMANITY]. or as the CLV reads "God made human beings in His image."  And those human beings are quick to shed blood, very carnal, not like the spiritual image of God at all!

God bless,
Alex

Dennis Vogel:
I see "one like", "appearance of", "like a", and "type of" a man.

He appears as a man but not like or the type of a man we are.

He differs from his Father in this respect because we are told God is not a man.

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