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JESUS AUTHORITY/POWER
Dave in Tenn:
We're told He is not a "man who lies or changes His mind".
Num 23:18 And he took up his parable, and said, Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor:
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
1Sa_15:29 and also, the Pre-eminence of Israel does not lie nor repent, for He [is] not a man to be penitent..
Job_9:32 For He is not a man like me that I should assert to Him:Let us come together for judgment.
When can a man not be a man?
Psa 22:3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
Psa 22:4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
Psa 22:5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
Psa 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Act 12:21 Now on a set day, Herod, dressed in royal attire, being seated on the dais, harangued to them."
Act 12:22 Now the populace retorted, "A god's voice, and not a man's!"
Heb 8:1 Now this is the sum of what is being said: Such a Chief Priest have we, Who is seated at the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
Heb 8:2 a Minister of the holy places and of the true tabernacle. which the Lord pitches, and not a man."
I am a "god" who did not pitch the True Tabernacle and is not (yet) seated at the right of the throne of Majesty in the Heavens", because I am not a god like He is. He is a Man Who did and is, because He is not a man as I am.
I resist and reject the theological notion that man is "man" and God is "God" and never the twain shall meet.
Lastly, He came in the likeness of SINFUL flesh, yet without sin. He was flesh. The LIKENESS was with sinful flesh, but without sin. "For He is not a man like me..."
lauriellen:
Jesus is not A man.....he is THE man. The original. The pattern.
1 John 3:2 beloved, now, children of God are we, and it was not yet manifested what we shall be, and we have known that if he may be manifested, like him we shall be, because we shall see him as he is;
Joel:
Indeed The Lord Jesus Christ Was and is the only sinless, Spirit, flesh Word, Man, that ever was or ever will be.
If we attain immortality through him, we will become like him.
Joel
cheekie3:
Dennis -
You raise an interesting perspective, that Jesus is 'like a man':
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 05, 2016, 01:25:13 PM ---I'm not insisting you are wrong George, I'm just not seeing it. I do not see where any of the verses you quoted say Jesus is still a man.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The above verse shows what God thinks about the flesh including His Son's flesh.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Clearly the Father is not 'sinful flesh'.
Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh 4:24
(KJV) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Ray says God is not 'a' spirit but Spirit period as Concordant and Rotherham show.
(CLV) God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth.
(Rotherham) God is, spirit; and, they that worship him, in spirit and truth, must needs worship.
If God is spirit and Jesus the Image of God then you can safely say it means the spiritual image, IMO.
Below are the verses you quoted and the Greek meanings from Strongs. I do not see where any of these say Jesus is currently a man.
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
G435
ἀνήρ
anēr
an'-ayr
A primary word (compare G444); a man (properly as an individual male): - fellow, husband, man, sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 214
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
G1520
εἷς
heis
hice
(Including the neuter [etc.] ἕν hen); a primary numeral; one: - a (-n, -ny, certain), + abundantly, man, one (another), only, other, some. See also G1527, G3367, G3391, G3762.
Total KJV occurrences: 272
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
G444
ἄνθρωπος
anthrōpos
anth'-ro-pos
From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man.
Total KJV occurrences: 560
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
N/A - 'man' not in original text
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
G846
αὐτός
autos
ow-tos'
From the particle αὖ au (perhaps akin to the base of G109 through the idea of a baffling wind; backward); the reflexive pronoun self, used (alone or in the compound of G1438) of the third person, and (with the proper personal pronoun) of the other persons: - her, it (-self), one, the other, (mine) own, said, ([self-], the) same, ([him-, my-, thy-]) self, [your-] selves, she, that, their (-s), them ([-selves]), there [-at, -by, -in, -into, -of, -on, -with], they, (these) things, this (man), those, together, very, which. Compare G848.
Total KJV occurrences: 4813
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However, Our Heavenly Father (as far as The Holy Scriptures Declare) is Spirit and does not have a 'Body' or is ever referred to as a 'Man' - whereas Jesus did indeed have a 'Body of a Man' when in a physical body, and The Scriptures also state that as well as being 'like' a Man, Jesus now, is indeed a 'Man' of 'The Man' (the original prototype).
If Jesus (now) did not have a 'Spiritual Body of a Man', how on Earth are His Elect ever going to 'see Him as He is', as no man can ever see Spirit - and even if His Elect when raised with Spiritual Bodies were to see 'Him as He is' with say, perhaps, 'spiritual eyes', it still begs the question, how on Earth can His Elect see 'Spirit' or 'Jesus without a Body'. Off course I am assuming that it is 'Jesus' that His Elect will see 'Him face to Face' - but the same point still applies, if it was either 'Our Heavenly Father' or both 'The Father and The Son'.
To me, The Father provided His Son with a natural Body, which after Jesus died, was Resurrected into a Spiritual Body - and Jesus appeared in this Spiritual Body to His Disciples, Apostles and others in this Spiritual Body (and ate fish with this Spiritual Body) - and The Scriptures clearly state that 'This Same Jesus (In His Spiritual Body) who went up to Heaven will return to Earth in The Clouds.
So, I cannot from The Holy Scriptures discount the Verses that clearly state that Jesus is 'now' a 'Man', or that 'He will return as He Is - In His Resurrected Spiritual Body as a Man'.
Also, the modern word for 'man' in Greek is:
ἄνθρωπος
anthrōpos
anth'-ro-pos
This is extremely interesting though.
I am sure we are all of the same 'Mind of Christ' in that, it is the 'Sum of His Word that is Truth'.
Warmest Regards.
George
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---However, Our Heavenly Father (as far as The Holy Scriptures Declare) is Spirit and does not have a 'Body' or is ever referred to as a 'Man' - whereas Jesus did indeed have a 'Body of a Man' when in a physical body, and The Scriptures also state that as well as being 'like' a Man, Jesus now, is indeed a 'Man' of 'The Man' (the original prototype).
If Jesus (now) did not have a 'Spiritual Body of a Man', how on Earth are His Elect ever going to 'see Him as He is', as no man can ever see Spirit - and even if His Elect when raised with Spiritual Bodies were to see 'Him as He is' with say, perhaps, 'spiritual eyes', it still begs the question, how on Earth can His Elect see 'Spirit' or 'Jesus without a Body'. Off course I am assuming that it is 'Jesus' that His Elect will see 'Him face to Face' - but the same point still applies, if it was either 'Our Heavenly Father' or both 'The Father and The Son'.
To me, The Father provided His Son with a natural Body, which after Jesus died, was Resurrected into a Spiritual Body - and Jesus appeared in this Spiritual Body to His Disciples, Apostles and others in this Spiritual Body (and ate fish with this Spiritual Body) - and The Scriptures clearly state that 'This Same Jesus (In His Spiritual Body) who went up to Heaven will return to Earth in The Clouds.
So, I cannot from The Holy Scriptures discount the Verses that clearly state that Jesus is 'now' a 'Man', or that 'He will return as He Is - In His Resurrected Spiritual Body as a Man'.
--- End quote ---
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
We know there are angels, perhaps millions of them. Don't they somehow 'see' or recognize each other?
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Jesus has seen His Father and if we've seen Him we've seen the Father. Certainly Jesus was not talking about his physical body.
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Changed from what to what? From this physical body into something different.
Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
This is not the body of an earthly man.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Just a little like Him or a lot like Him? But for sure something greater than a fleshly, earthly man.
I suggest it is a spiritual body that 'appears' as a man as shown to the Apostles and others. But certainly not a physical body that has great limitations, e.g., cannot see behind His head.
Those raised incorruptible will have Christ like spiritual bodies that may 'appear' as a man.
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