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Pini56:
Hi John,
You Said and I quote: If Jesus could not save anyone.........
This is not True. While he was on the Earth, he saved his Disciples. At pentecost 120 Followers of his were given his 'Spirit"
In other words they had the Seal of Salvation assurance.
When you say "Jesus could not save anyone.........": no matter how it is intended, you are confusing 'Babes' in Christ.
Just because you didn't see Jesus save the way you see it does not mean he didn't.
The Twelve 'Disciples' are His very 'Elect' and they 'Are" Saved (Past Tense Intended). Jesus did 'Save' while he was on this Earth.
And please 'Note': They did not say any 7 second prayer.
This is not meant to be nasty, but to try and explain things in a correct way. We are all trying to seek the truth.
I know Ray has spoken at length on this. I don't know where. Peace to you. Geoff.
P.S. Great Scripture by the way: Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the Lord Almighty. Zechariah 4:6
This same 'Spirit' dwells within us: When we witness as we are told to do, who's at work: The 'Lord's Spirit' in us of course.
The 'Spirit' within us 'Causes' us to witness in many ways. You are in no way 'Carnal' in however way you do it, because it is the 'Will' of 'The Lord'. It is his 'Command'.
Some 'Methods' might be 'Carnal' in Nature, but they 'All' work together to bring about the very 'Plan Of God'. If you need 'Scriptural Proof', just ask me. See Ya.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Geoff on December 21, 2016, 11:01:12 AM ---Hi John,
You Said and I quote: If Jesus could not save anyone.........
This is not True. While he was on the Earth, he saved his Disciples. At pentecost 120 Followers of his were given his 'Spirit"
In other words they had the Seal of Salvation assurance.
When you say "Jesus could not save anyone.........": no matter how it is intended, you are confusing 'Babes' in Christ.
Just because you didn't see Jesus save the way you see it does not mean he didn't.
The Twelve 'Disciples' are His very 'Elect' and they 'Are" Saved (Past Tense Intended). Jesus did 'Save' while he was on this Earth.
And please 'Note': They did not say any 7 second prayer.
This is not meant to be nasty, but to try and explain things in a correct way. We are all trying to seek the truth.
I know Ray has spoken at length on this. I don't know where. Peace to you. Geoff.
P.S. Great Scripture by the way: Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the Lord Almighty. Zechariah 4:6
This same 'Spirit' dwells within us: When we witness as we are told to do, who's at work: The 'Lord's Spirit' in us of course.
--- End quote ---
Hi Geoff,
You need to read carefully. I said while Jesus was a human He did not save anyone, which is a true statement if you read and study the Scriptures with care. Jesus had already been resurrected and ascended to heaven on the Day of Pentecost. For what it is worth, Ray said the same thing.
John
P.S. Be careful of accusing someone of speaking falsely, especially in the off chance that person could be speaking by the Spirit of God. You could bring judgment on yourself.
Pini56:
Hi John,
I know that's how you intended it, but it can be construed the wrong way by those who have less knowledge.
Believe me, just trying to be helpful.
Also it's something I won't argue with. See Ya John.
P.S. This is the Quote: "If Jesus could not save anyone.........":- You said this in your last Post: "I said while Jesus was a human He did not save anyone". You are Deceiving us. You might have meant this but you didn't say it that way in your previous post.
I have already been 'Judged' by the way. Have a good day.
P.S. It was confusing, not to me, but to others that might be reading. To say both those things in the same post can be misleading to some. I 'Quoted' you correctly. Whether Jesus saved on this Earth or not, it is minuscule argument and not worth the time. Bye.
Dennis Vogel:
No one is saved until they are saved. All the dead are still dead except Jesus.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Geoff on December 21, 2016, 11:41:59 AM ---Hi John,
I know that's how you intended it, but it can be construed the wrong way by those who have less knowledge.
Believe me, just trying to be helpful.
Also it's something I won't argue with. See Ya John.
P.S. This is the Quote: "If Jesus could not save anyone.........":- You said this in your last Post: "I said while Jesus was a human He did not save anyone". You are Deceiving us. You might have meant this but you didn't say it that way in your previous post.
I have already been 'Judged' by the way. Have a good day.
P.S. It was confusing, not to me, but to others that might be reading. To say both those things in the same post can be misleading to some. I 'Quoted' you correctly. Whether Jesus saved on this Earth or not, it is minuscule argument and not worth the time. Bye.
--- End quote ---
I am glad you decided not to argue.
Ray said the same thing I did, namely that Jesus did not save one person while He was a human on the earth. For those with enough initiative, they can find Ray's statement. Better yet they can study that point from the Scriptures themselves if they want.
And no, you have not been judged yet. The Scriptures tell us that judgment is currently upon the House of God. We are all still a work in process in God's hands, that is for those few who are being judged in this age.
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