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Dennis Vogel:

--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on December 12, 2016, 01:34:37 PM ---I think Porter hits it on the head while thinking about "other people".  It's difficult at best for me to relate to people who have not experienced the "falling away" and the revelation of the beast within.  It doesn't much matter what else they think...if they fail to see themselves in the scripture in a "bad" way, they have little to share with me. 

There are plenty of "guys with bibles".  Some of them probably ought not to be teaching, but they are.  Everybody carries at least a little baggage, and nobody will get rid of it all until it's proven of no value.

This is interesting, I think:

Rev 2:2  I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Rev 2:3  And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

The "evil" in verse 2 is an adjective:   G2556 κακός kakos.  "Then which are" is not in the Greek but is implied because "evil" is an adjective.  It could just as easily be rendered "that which is evil".

Here's the kicker, though.  THIS word translated evil has a specific meaning of "worthless".  That's pretty much the definition of "baggage" and "of no value" and "every weight, and sin which so easily entangles us".

All "Idols of the heart" have to fall or be destroyed.  If for no other reason, than that they are "worthless".

"...and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars." seems to me to be an additional statement, and not exactly a repeat of "thou canst not bear them (that) which are (is) evil."  The former is about false prophets and teachers teaching or LIVING LIES.  The latter is not necessarily that, but the inability to bear that which is WORTHLESS.  These are the things Ray pointed out in his list of "physical things that do not make one Spiritual", as well as other places scattered through the emails, etc.  No grown son is drawn to things that are worthless.  No grown son can stand a religious hobbyist, no matter how well-meaning.

Now, to your question:  People are not allowed even a measure of LIES.  Liars will be CAST into the Lake of Fire.  People are allowed to work through other issues of theological interest and their FRUIT will show them up.  WORTHLESSNESS doesn't produce WORTH.  It IS something to be saved from, however.  Better sooner than later.

Are these "teachers" chosen of God to judge the world?  How can they judge the world if they have not judged themselves? 

But if they misunderstand a verse or three yet still believe on the NAME of Jesus and don't deny His power to Save?  Judge them by their fruit.  Good fruit.  Some thirty, some sixty, some a hundred-fold. 

That's my thinking.

 

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Thank you Dave.

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