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cheekie3

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1 Timothy 6:15-16
« on: December 28, 2016, 10:27:24 AM »

All -

Does anyone know of any other Scriptures relating to these two verses in the KJV:

1 Timothy 6:
15 which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Thank you.

Kind Regards.

George

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Re: 1 Timothy 6:15-16
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2016, 11:55:10 AM »

Hi George,

This is a very interesting scripture and Ray talked about this scripture at the last bible study he held in his home in 2011.  The bible study is entitled "Is Jesus God".  Here is the audio links this bible study:

Is Jesus God Bible study 3/13/2011
Audio links
http://bible-truths.com/audio/IsJesusGod1.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/IsJesusGod2.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/IsJesusGod3.mp3

Also, here is the transcript link and an excerpt from the transcript where Ray asked Gordon (one of the attendees at the bible study) if he knew of any other scripture like the one in 1 Timothy 6:

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12896.0.html

" Gordon do you know of another Scripture like this one in 1Timothy? Do you know of another Scripture even close to that, where it says no human being can approach Him, no mere man has ever seen Him, nor ever will? Is there another Scripture anywhere close to that? [I don’t know.] I don’t know of any. But then we have Scriptures like 1 John 3... I know this is suppose to be a Bible study where I teach you things. You get to see some of my thought processes."



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cheekie3

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Re: 1 Timothy 6:15-16
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2016, 02:44:49 PM »

Rene -

Thank you for Posting these links about:

1 Timothy 6:
15 which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Hi George,

This is a very interesting scripture and Ray talked about this scripture at the last bible study he held in his home in 2011.  The bible study is entitled "Is Jesus God".  Here is the audio links this bible study:

Is Jesus God Bible study 3/13/2011
Audio links
http://bible-truths.com/audio/IsJesusGod1.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/IsJesusGod2.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/IsJesusGod3.mp3

Also, here is the transcript link and an excerpt from the transcript where Ray asked Gordon (one of the attendees at the bible study) if he knew of any other scripture like the one in 1 Timothy 6:

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12896.0.html

" Gordon do you know of another Scripture like this one in 1Timothy? Do you know of another Scripture even close to that, where it says no human being can approach Him, no mere man has ever seen Him, nor ever will? Is there another Scripture anywhere close to that? [I don’t know.] I don’t know of any. But then we have Scriptures like 1 John 3... I know this is suppose to be a Bible study where I teach you things. You get to see some of my thought processes."

1 John 3 is a very hard chapter to understand:

King James Version (KJV)

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Warmest Regards.

George


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Re: 1 Timothy 6:15-16
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2016, 03:11:35 PM »

I can think of several that share a similar ["Enigmatic" as ray put it] pattern;

Here are some scriptures that come to mind along the similar thought:

Exodus 33:18-21
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou are not able to see my face: for there is no man able to see me, and live.

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God [We are Sons of the Father, not the Son] , and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear [Since when does the Father ever appear? This "He" is Jesus yet John interchanges the two] , we shall be like him; for we shall see him AS HE IS.

John boldly declares that the Moses who wanted to see God in His full glory, to see God as He is, will one day be able too. We will see Him as He is. We will see His face.

Revelation 22:3-5
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Here is that statement again, ill make a comment:

1 Timothy 6:
15 which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can ["IS ABLE TO"] approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can ["IS ABLE TO"] see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Here is the literal version of it;

"Unto the advent of our Lord Jesus Christ, which (advent), in its own eras, He will be shewing the happy and only Potentate, the King of those having kingship, and Lord of those having lordship, the only One having immortality, making His home light inaccessible, Whom not one of mankind does perceive or is able (dunatai) to be perceiving, to Whom—honour and might eonian."

Paul's statement in Timothy does not say that we will never ever be able to approach God in the light which He dwells in because the word dunatai translated 'can' by the KJV is the equivalent of our english word 'able.' Paul also says "IS able," and NOT "WILL be able." Implying the limitation is that currently no man is able to approach God in the light which He dwells but nothing is said about futurity. The older Rotherham's version used to translate this as 'able' but the current version does not. The emphatic diaglot does, as does the TLV and Young's but there may be more versions as well. A quick look up in strong's will dispel all doubt. This is reminiscent of Exodus because God tells Moses no man is ABLE to see His face and live but not that no man CAN NEVER see His face and live. These speak nothing of futurity and everything about current limitation. An admissibility. In fact we are told many times that we WILL see God as He is (even His face which Moses was denied!) with some of the scriptures I shared above.

Now when might this happen? Well Paul gives us a very interesting statement in corinthians.

1 Corinthians 15:27-29
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

When God becomes ALL in ALL, what is there now stopping humanity from seeing the face of God? From seeing God as He is? "Show me your glory," as Moses asked.

As a side note, I think this verse is also related: "Now to the King of the eons, incorruptible, invisible, only God,—honour and glory for the eons of the eons." ( 1 Tim 1:17)

God bless,
Alex
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1 Cor 1:10 "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."
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