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ARE HUMANS TO EAT MEAT?
Joel:
I went to the Email to Ray section, typed in "eating meat" in the search block, and this is the first hit that appeared.
I'm a little mixed up on a certain topic, What does the Bible say about eating meat?
Does God want us to kill and eat animals? Thank you for taking the time to read this email and hopefully responding.
Sincerely, Matt
Dear Matt:
Eating meat is fine. Why even the Passover Lamb was eaten, as were other sacrifices of animals.
Herding was a major profession among God's people, Israel. In the Prodigal the father killed the fatted calf, etc., etc., etc.
God be with you,
Ray
Colin:
Joel is quite right, as he quotes Ray in showing that eating meat is not prohibited…..in fact meat provides us with an excellent source of vitamin B12 and proteins. And a nourishing broth is a wonderful tonic for invalids.
It is known that vegetables do contain certain levels of proteins as well.
I really enjoy a good steak, but I refrain from criticising anybody who adopts a vegetarian lifestyle. Even more importantly, I strive not to harbour any desire to force my opinions upon such folk, who see things differently to the way I do. That is following Paul’s example; as I have mentioned he prefaced his discussion about those who did or did not eat meat, by saying don’t get into such arguments. That is what will lead to our being admonished for judging others, where we ought not to have done so.
That is the crux of the matter.
If a person lives his/her entire life by being a vegetarian (for whatever reasons), then that will not be the gigantic factor for which they will have to give account; eventually they will realise that scripture does show we can eat meat, from clean animals.
Paul made that clear when we read Romans 14: 17. He said that “(being in) the kingdom of God” does not revolve around or hinge upon whether we eat or do not eat a certain diet - OR whether we like to drink say, wine. It clearly means something apart from water….we ALL need water to survive.
Paul elsewhere discussed gluttony and drunkenness so moderation is necessarily to be understood.
Those who malign others for their “non-meat diet” or self-righteously condemn anybody who likes a drop of an alcoholic drink are the people who will have some explaining to do.
Those, in this life who become sick from eating unclean foods, described in Leviticus 11 will possibly be told by their doctor that it was “probably those prawns that you ate” which made you ill. Or the nitrites used in “curing” bacon that has caused your cancer.
In his paper, Topet and Molech in Hinnom (LOF Part 16D2 of “Hell”) Ray wrote, under the subheading Self-Sanctifying, Idol Sacrificing, Swine and Mice Eating are Symbols of far greater sins,
--- Quote --- “Again we must be consistent and acknowledge that these teachings are spiritual. God uses physical symbols to teach spiritual truths. If the physical teachings; if the literal teachings; if the parabolic teachings; are the way we are to understand these things, then why oh why would Jesus have stated so many times: "to him that has an ear to hear, LET HIM HEAR?"
Jesus powerfully proclaimed to His disciples: "By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand: and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal [save] them" (Matt. 13:14-15 cited from Isa. 6:9-10).
The swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse" are all listed by Moses as unclean for physical food. Spiritually they represent the fact that our leaders spiritually feast on those things that God considers unclean and an "abomination." Many hundreds and thousands of heads of state, military, industry, etc., sacrifice to a giant idol in the woods which they know for a fact is in total defiance of the Word of God?” [end of quote]
My thoughts are these: God specified creatures, which He deemed unclean as physical food for His people, to symbolise abominable practices, as Ray taught. I asked myself, is the symbolism no longer relevant? I perceive that it is still relevant. Otherwise it doesn’t make any sense.
And if it is, then to be consistent the original classification remains.
Nowhere do we find such creatures being “reclassified” as fit for food. Peter’s vision (Acts 10) has been twisted to try to say they have. In that vision there was a mixture of clean and unclean (verse 12), which goes unnoticed.
Peter came to realise that his vision was to show him that “all races” (contrary to the mind-set at that time) and not just the Jews, were to be regarded as “clean”, as far as their future salvation is concerned.
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John from Kentucky:
The Old Covenant is completely done away with, including the food rules of Leviticus 11. You can eat ham or lobster or any other thing you want. The Old Covenant was made for spiritual children.
The New Covenant does not have any food rules, or any other rules in the form of a law code for that matter.
Love causes no harm and thus fulfills all laws.
Love comes within us from God's Holy Spirit.
Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the LORD God Almighty.
Tim Krantz:
I only eat meat that came from a vegeterian animal. Does that count? ;D
indianabob:
Hi folks,
I was in World wide and followed the diet restrictions for 30 years.
I don't any longer.
However, I have had a serious bowel obstruction, a tumor, removed that was cancer and so I am extra cautious.
Mainly being careful not to stuff myself when at the Cafeteria where you can eat all you want at one price and to avoid the sugar that I love.
I once worked in a meat market and became aware that pork was mixed in with ground steak when the customer ordered both. AND the pork had to be cooked more thoroughly to avoid getting pork worms, Trichinosis just in case there were some. So how would you know how careful the butcher or meat cutter was? I realize that we have the FDA to protect us, but come on folks, it is a government agency... ::)
I just find that at my advanced age, things move through more easily and regularly when my diet is mainly veggies of all varieties. That means one 4 oz steak a week as a treat and a Salmon steak with fresh mushrooms the next week. Nothing ever from Burger King or others.
Yummy. Indiana Bob
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