Gyula -
Thank youfor sharing this with us:
I don't know if you have experienced something like this, but I could sum up my situation now in this way, I absolutely can't imagine living without God.(and things like leave this forum,don't read the Bible,don't pray) Even the thought itself frightens me. I understand and believe that nothing makes sense without God. On the other hand I have "problems" with the concept of loving God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. As I said in an earlier post my brother died in cancer at 15 and one of my classmate at 17. This is enough to be depressed + I also have regrets regarding them, which makes it even more difficult.
My parents also had a difficult life so far, and now they are seeing me suffering with depression and OCD, and basically seeing that at 25 I'm without any motivation. I've tried to speak about the truths I've read here with my mother, but she is quite ignorant which I can understand after so many tragedies in her life, plus seeing me suffering with knowing these truths and studying the Bible etc.. She says it doesn't help me either. I know obedience is part of the love towards God, and I'm failing in some areas quite regularly. I really don't know what should I hope for in this life, because I can't even lead a normal life with these illnesses.
I'm wondering for you what it means to love God, when and how you experience it and things like these. I've read many topics here from people who also suffered much, I'm very interested on their opinions also.
Thank you, Gyula
I am sure we have all had very similar issues with how we should live and behave, and how we interact with our flesh and blood families.
I will try to respond to your points as best as I can, and draw from my own experience if required.
When He drags a member of His Elect to Himself, it really is a new beginning, a new birth, and His Elect have to learn new things and have to live differently.
The Scriptures describe (for us in this Age of Grace), the state or status, of His Elect, and those that are not His Own. His Elect are 'Alive in Him by His Holy Spirit', and the others are all dead 'in their sins and trespasses'. And just like a blind man cannot see, nor can the dead understand the things of 'Life'.
When He stopped me dead in my tracks, and He started Revealing things to me, I told my then fiancee (now my wife), this is real, I am not going back under any circumstances.
There is no 'Life' without Our Heavenly Father, as He sustains all of His Creation, both the physical (or natural) and the spiritual (or supernatural).
His Elect need to read and understand 'His Word' as written down in The Holy Scriptures, in order to confirm that what He Reveals to His Elect are 'In His Word' - as 'He and His Word are One'.
This should not frighten you, as what you are describing is 'The Fear of The Lord, is the beginning of knowledge and the beginning of Wisdom'.
Fear has torment, because it is of the evil one - but 'His Love casteth out fear'.
Off course nothing makes sense without God.
Try telling an atheist that it takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in a Creator: and see what garbage and venom they throw back tat you.
We all have problems and difficulties in understanding 'His Word'. That is why we are all here on this Forum, to learn more and more of 'His Truths'.
Ray often said of himself, 'I am like a bulldog', 'I keep asking Him to show me', 'I know you have the answer in Your Word, so show me'.
No one can truly Love Him with all their heart, mind, soul and strength, unless He Graces them with His Holy Spirit, whereby they are then able to cry 'Abba Father'.
Knowing that He is The Father of All, is the start of the journey of His Elect: and His Elect can only Love Him with all that they are, by His Holy Spirit.
My wife lost her mother when she was 41, her sister when she was 29, her brother when he was 51, and her father when he was 90. She is the last one left of her family, and has a neice and a nephew. None of her family knew Him like she does, albeit most went to a traditional Church, and said they loved God.
How long anyone of us lives is not determined by man, but by Our Heavenly Father.
I am sorry that you lost your brother to cancer, and also one of your classmates. It is an unpleasant way to die. They are now both at peace, and their 'spirits' are with Our Heavenly Father.
Depression can be looked at in many different ways. One of my sisters and I have a common statement we use, that may offend some people, in that we say 'I do not do depression'. What we mean is, that life is hard, and we all have problems and suffering; and we should just get on with it. I mean what caring loving mother or father stays depressed when they have a family to look after. I know this sounds harsh and may offend you, and some people, but to me 'depression' looks at 'self' while looking after the needs of your family 'looks at your neighbour to do them good and serve them'.
My parents raised seven children, and at times did not have food for all of us to eat, and sometimes, they would not eat, so that their children would eat. There were many times my mother and father were in tears because of their lack, their fatigue, their unhappiness, and probably their depression - but it did not stop them from looking after all of us, and providing our daily needs.
I am not a Doctor, and I know people suffer from depression and OCD, like yourself.
All I can share with you, is what I have learnt from 'His Word' as Revealed to me by 'His Holy Spirit':
2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV):
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and
bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;.
Hebrews 4:12 (KJV):
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is
a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
This may assist you in your current state of depression and OCD; as He comforts us at all times:
2 Corinthians 7:6 (KJV):
Nevertheless
God, that comforteth those that are cast down, comforted us by the coming of Titus;
It may be a good idea if you focused your thoughts on Matthew 5-8 (KJV):
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt+5+-+8&version=KJVOur Heavenly Father looks at the desires of our hearts. Perhaps, you need to focus on what desires you have in your heart, as it appears that they are to 'Please Him and Obey His Commandments'.
I sometimes say to 'Him', what have you got for me today 'Father', as you promised to bring us to 'All Truth'; and this motivates me when I may, perhaps, not want to get out of bed.
Most will either be unable to understand 'His Truths', or unwilling. This is why we must instead live our lives as 'Living Witnesses', so those that know us, can see how we have changed, and no longer do the things we previously desired to do.
His Elect are Granted 'His Love, His Joy, and His Peace' when He indwells them by 'His Holy Spirit'. There are numerous New Testament Scriptures that declare this to us and for us.
No one can 'Obey Him, and Do as He Commands', except they be indwelt by 'His Holt Spirit'.
If we fail, and if we fall, He will always pick us up - and He will always show us what 'real success' and 'real failure' is.
Saul thought he was a success - but He changed Saul into Paul in a moment, and made Paul a giant amongst men, Revealing to Paul the deep things of God 'By His Holy Spirit'.
This is what we should all hope for:
Romans 15:13 (KJV):
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.1 Corinthians 13:7
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.1 Corinthians 13:13 (KJV):
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
1 Corinthians 15:19 (KJV):
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.Colossians 1:27 (KJV):
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:The Elects' lives are no longer normal, as they are 'His Peculiar People', and 'His True Congregation of Called Out Ones'.
He judges His Elect now through suffering for His Righteousness sake, for doing what is right, by doing 'His Works through His Elect': and that is how He chasteneth His Sons and Daughters in His Love.
I hope this helps you a little.
Warmest Regards.
George
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