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Eating from the beginning until after the flood
Dave in Tenn:
John 1:17 ...grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Grace is not just a 'thing' or a theological concept. He is the embodiment of grace. He IS grace, in his coming.
indianabob:
Yes George, well said and we who are called do understand.-
However what about those who have not yet heard or who died in ignorance e.g. as children?
How to illustrate in secular language to unbelievers? Not possible is it?
So when they read that passage of scripture they think it is all of them to seek God.
Indiana bob
The Word Brings Salvation
Ro 10:13 ...for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then can they call on the One they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
cheekie3:
Bob -
Regarding Romans 10:13-15:
--- Quote from: indianabob on May 22, 2017, 02:53:25 PM ---Yes George, well said and we who are called do understand.-
However what about those who have not yet heard or who died in ignorance e.g. as children?
How to illustrate in secular language to unbelievers? Not possible is it?
So when they read that passage of scripture they think it is all of them to seek God.
Indiana bob
The Word Brings Salvation
Ro 10:13 ...for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then can they call on the One they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
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Do we know for sure that this applies to all that have ever lived; including those pre Christ?
What about all the aborted children; did they get to hear The Gospel?
Does anyone of us know for sure who will be dragged to Him o Learn His Truths, and when?
We all know that He will save All.
Are there still not many who have not been reached by The Good News, in tropical and Amazonian lands?
What about the atheists, agnostics, evolutionists, Muslims, Hindus, communists, etc?
Will these not be in the second Resurrection?
Warmest Regards.
George
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: indianabob on May 22, 2017, 12:53:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on May 21, 2017, 06:10:07 PM ---Yes Joel, and may I add ...
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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So we have been taught and do believe, that our faith comes only as a gift from God who calls us individually and gives us to Christ to teach and protect. Yet some teach that anyone may seek after God and find God by their own efforts. So how do we explain Titus 2:11 which reads: "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men"
Indiana bob
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Why wouldn't grace then teach everyone when Christ comes again as the elect are taught now?
cheekie3:
Dave -
Regarding Grace:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on May 22, 2017, 02:46:35 PM ---John 1:17 ...grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Grace is not just a 'thing' or a theological concept. He is the embodiment of grace. He IS grace, in his coming.
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Are you saying that Our Saviour is Grace; or have I misunderstood your statement?
Acts 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Romans 16:20
And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
Romans 16:24
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
1 Corinthians 1:3
grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:4
I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Ephesians 4:7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
1 Timothy 1:2
unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
2 Timothy 1:2
to Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
2 Timothy 2:1
Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
Philemon 1:25
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen. Written from Rome to Philemon, by Onesimus a servant.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Hebrews 10:29
of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
1 Peter 5:12
By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.
Revelation 22:21
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Is Grace not similar to Faith, in that, it is The Grace of Our Saviour (in the same way that it is The Faith of Jesus Christ) - both free Heavenly gifts from above granted to His Elect by Our Heavenly Father through His Beloved Son (as opposed to our own works or efforts) ?
Warmest Regards.
George
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