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Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---Is Grace not similar to Faith, in that, it is The Grace of Our Saviour (in the same way that it is The Faith of Jesus Christ) - both free Heavenly gifts from above granted to His Elect by Our Heavenly Father through His Beloved Son (as opposed to our own works or efforts) ?
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No George. Ray has a video that clearly explains Grace: https://youtu.be/o5YCfZQ7XfU
cheekie3:
Dennis -
Thank you for providing this link:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on May 23, 2017, 07:51:48 AM ---
--- Quote ---Is Grace not similar to Faith, in that, it is The Grace of Our Saviour (in the same way that it is The Faith of Jesus Christ) - both free Heavenly gifts from above granted to His Elect by Our Heavenly Father through His Beloved Son (as opposed to our own works or efforts) ?
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No George. Ray has a video that clearly explains Grace: https://youtu.be/o5YCfZQ7XfU
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I have listened to the audio again.
Grace Favours and Teaches us; and labours (or works) with us - and influences us - and being justified by His Faith in us, He is Saving us through His Grace.
1 Corinthians 15:10 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV):
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
I note this comment on You Tube:
SHERRY SUBLETT REGAN 1 year ago
GRACE IS UNMERITED FAVOR. THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO EARN OR MERIT THAT FAVOR.....GOD FAVORS US JUST BECAUSE HE CAN.....HE DOES....HE IS SOVEREIGN.....HE CAN FAVOR WHOEVER HE WILLS BECAUSE HE IS GOD. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
Warmest Regards.
George
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---Grace Favours and Teaches us; and labours (or works) with us - and influences us - and being justified by His Faith in us, He is Saving us through His Grace.
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You can say God favors us with grace. But you cannot say Grace itself favors anything. Grace is a verb and not something or someone that can bestow favor.
If I'm missing something please show me the chapter and verse.
--- Quote ---SHERRY SUBLETT REGAN 1 year ago
GRACE IS UNMERITED FAVOR. THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO EARN OR MERIT THAT FAVOR.....GOD FAVORS US JUST BECAUSE HE CAN.....HE DOES....HE IS SOVEREIGN.....HE CAN FAVOR WHOEVER HE WILLS BECAUSE HE IS GOD. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
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Again, please show me chapter and verse where "GRACE IS UNMERITED FAVOR."
But I can find these words in the church: https://billygraham.org/devotion/gods-unmerited-favor/
Proof something is a lie: "if the church teaches it, it is not true" L. Ray Smith.
cheekie3:
Dennis -
Thank you for pointing these points out:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on May 23, 2017, 04:02:02 PM ---
--- Quote ---Grace Favours and Teaches us; and labours (or works) with us - and influences us - and being justified by His Faith in us, He is Saving us through His Grace.
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You can say God favors us with grace. But you cannot say Grace itself favors anything. Grace is a verb and not something or someone that can bestow favor.
If I'm missing something please show me the chapter and verse.
--- Quote ---SHERRY SUBLETT REGAN 1 year ago
GRACE IS UNMERITED FAVOR. THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO EARN OR MERIT THAT FAVOR.....GOD FAVORS US JUST BECAUSE HE CAN.....HE DOES....HE IS SOVEREIGN.....HE CAN FAVOR WHOEVER HE WILLS BECAUSE HE IS GOD. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
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Again, please show me chapter and verse where "GRACE IS UNMERITED FAVOR."
But I can find these words in the church: https://billygraham.org/devotion/gods-unmerited-favor/
Proof something is a lie: "if the church teaches it, it is not true" L. Ray Smith.
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I stand corrected on both counts.
Warmest Regards.
George
Dave in Tenn:
There was a time I thought of "grace" as akin to some kind of "spiritual mustard" or invisible holy water...someTHING that got "smeared" or "sprinkled" on people, after which they were "saved". Don't laugh too hard...at least I didn't think physical mustard or holy water did anything spiritually real. Now I understand "grace" is active.
For God loved the world in this manner--that He gave His Only Begotten Son...Grace.
The Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world...Grace.
Grace...came by/through Jesus Christ.
Maybe "gracing" is a better translation, since Theologians have muddied the meaning. I don't know. Like all those pesky bible-words, it's a word first. Technically, it's a noun. But I think of it as a "gerund", from:
G5463
χαίρω
chairō
Thayer Definition:
1) to rejoice, be glad
2) to rejoice exceedingly
3) to be well, thrive
4) in salutations, hail!
5) at the beginning of letters: to give one greeting, salute
Part of Speech: verb
Does that moisten or "undry" the theology a little?
What a "gerund" is (I wasn't an English Major either, but I dig words): http://www.softschools.com/examples/grammar/gerunds_examples/95/
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