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lareli:
Isnt it not true to say that nothing goes against Gods will, as was stated in this thread? Nothing goes against His intention.. but His intention is that we, for a time, go against His will.

Mickiel:

--- Quote from: StevenL on July 28, 2017, 04:35:46 PM ---Hi Mickiel! I've enjoyed your observations here. Very interesting about the individual perceptions of the 'calling'. Every person who is, or claims to be, a follower of Jesus (or any other god for that matter), is initially enlightened while still encumbered with a fleshly, unrenewed mind. It takes a while, for some of us (me  :-[ ) a very long while, to renew the mind and learn some of the ways of God. So... it's not unusual that the 'newly born' called-one could perceive himself or herself in a now-elevated position with relation to the rest of mankind, among lower, 'ignorant' beings. But then God undertakes to dethrone that 'beast' in a painful process. Ray has some amazing takes on this 'beast'. (If you haven't, read the Lake of Fire series, several times.)

Indeed, in EVERY group of 'called saints' I've ever encountered, no matter the persuasion, some called, mature, enlightened (non-ignorant), appointed-by-God Special Agents (I'm speaking of the self-perceptions you've alluded to) stand vigilant, every ready to immediately correct the ignorant (in love of course) and make sure the ignorant knows and feels that he or she IS indeed ignorant. I've been one of them. And in many cases these mature saints, filled with Christ's love and knowledge, are the first to fling an extremely rude, judgmental, self-serving, demeaning, possibly irrelevant reply into just about any attempt of social intercourse among curious people, all the while congratulating himself or herself on the service to God and man being performed. Nobody is going to convince this apostle that he or she is in reality just one more annoying obstacle that everyone has to overcome within the ecclesia. They are here to correct the ignorant and fight for 'The Truth'!

We'd all do well to recognize this tendency, in others and especially within ourselves, since we ALL have it to some degree. We all have the same nature that we have to overcome. Thanks for bringing it up before me to consider.

Gal 6:3  For if anyone thinks to be something, he deceives himself, being nothing.

1Th 2:7  But we became gentle in your midst, as a nurse should be cherishing her own children."

1Co 13:4  Love is patient, is kind. Love is not jealous. Love is not bragging, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5  is not indecent, is not self-seeking, is not incensed, is not taking account of evil,
1Co 13:6  is not rejoicing in injustice, yet is rejoicing together with the truth,
1Co 13:7  is forgoing all, is believing all, is expecting all, is enduring all."

Don't be offended about being 'ignorant'. We're ALL ignorant of many things. And we ALL 'know' things to be 'right' that will eventually be found to be, in fact, not right at all. If we can learn to listen carefully to others' thoughts, opinions, and/or just musings about just about anything, we're more likely to be open to learning, if not truth, then at least how to bear with one another in love and respect. Even a misguided rebuke or 'correction' can help correct me IF I hear it in the right attitude, without feeling the necessity to retaliate against a perceived attack or insult. Then I can be at peace with pretty much anybody, eh?

However, we should all feel free to voice our thoughts and wonderings among one another without fear of being slapped around and censured by the eldership.

Thanks to Cheekie for posting the beautiful Scripture telling of the New Covenant. Nothing to quibble over there since God is going to work out the details regardless of our understanding of it. Just Words to give us Faith and Hope in the Love of God.

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Well I understand, believe me I do. I guess I just take issue with a called person suggesting to others that they don't understand God because they are ignorant; I mean I just don't like that. Forgive my taking issue with it if it offends, that is not my intent. Even if its true, I don't think its a way to speak to visitors or those who do not understand God. Because I have discovered that one can be called of God, be influenced by Christ being " With them", and yet still be ignorant of many , many spiritual and biblical things. What God and Christ are doing with humanity is nothing short of amazing, and his calling is a miracle. Notice then Jesus in Luke 5:32, " I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." So if a person has been called, then biblically, according to Christ, two things are obvious, they are not righteous and they are a sinner,  these are the two revealed reasons WHY God calls people. There are no other reasons revealed as to why God chooses an individual, none that I am aware of. Other than those two, we just don't know.

There is no pride in those two reasons, and I think that was the intent of God, knowing just what his calling can do to a persons ego, he instructed Christ to teach that. Sinners to repentance is NOT just limited to those called by God, in Acts 17:30 it says" At times of ignorance God winks at that,  but now he has commanded that ALL men everywhere repent", everywhere in history and life. Who did God command this to? ALL Men, so the calling of God is just a matter of time, his commandment was " Now", but obviously all have not repented now, because its just not their time. Their sin and ignorance means absolutely nothing to God. We talk about being " Dragged" to God, or drawn, Jesus said in John 12:32 that if he be lifted up he will draw all men to him. Well he got lifted up, but its obvious that not all men got drawn to him. So his prophecy is then just a matter of time. It will come true. In Isaiah 45:23 God swore his only holy oath in scripture to make sure that the prophecy will be true. And nothing can stop all men being called of God. Its just a wonderful thing to be aware of. And that awareness should filter how we have speaks with those not yet called.

StevenL:

--- Quote from: largeli on July 28, 2017, 04:39:55 PM ---Isnt it not true to say that nothing goes against Gods will, as was stated in this thread? Nothing goes against His intention.. but His intention is that we, for a time, go against His will.

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Ray said that EVERY human has gone against God's will and was caused by God to do so. I read that just recently.

StevenL:
"One last thought for you. God DID create men spiritually weak so that they cannot resist sin. "ALL have sinned..."It obviously IS God's will that for a time we go AGAINST His will. But. . .BUT, NO ONE EVER goes against God's "INTENTION." There is a giant difference. Paul's detractors ask in Roman's nine, "For who has gone against God's INTENTION?" And the answer is, absolutely NO ONE. It could not even BE God's will that all be saved, unless first ALL ARE LOST!"  **** From email entitled "What did God 'Will' for Adam and Eve"


"So the question that Paul is setting up is not "...who has resisted His will?" but rather, "who has resisted His purpose [His plan, His intention]?"

To the question, "...who has resisted His will?" the answer is: EVERYONE! But when properly translated, to the question, "who has resisted His purpose?" the answer is: ABSOLUTELY NO ONE!"  ****  from Lake of Fire part 15A

Mickiel:

--- Quote from: StevenL on July 28, 2017, 07:29:07 PM ---I wasn't offended in the least Mickiel. But it seemed that you were somewhat offended and my post was a (probably ignorant) attempt at peacemaking.  :P   Your offense is completely understandable and your objection has a sound basis. I've had the same and passed it off as not worth the strife to address.

God bless.

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Well thank you, I am at peace. It was in my heart to speak on it, and I too could hardly hold my peace. The New Covenant that Cheekie posted on has a promise from God to " Write his laws in the hearts of people";  or literally place some of his ways within them. Well what does that mean? Does it mean the over 600 laws of Moses? Is the Kingdom of God then to be a place governed by the law of Moses? No, in Gal.5:22-23 THESE are the ways and means of God, these are what are being placed in the hearts of those affected. Love, Joy, Peace, Longsuffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness and Temperance. These are how God really is, its the best scriptures in the bible that describe him. These are the ways of God, its how God really, really is! God is Gentle and Meek, a very loving and patient being. He is VERY Good and at perfect peace. These ways and means are how God decides things, everything he does is entirely based on these ways and means. These are what rules his Kingdom, God has no laws in heaven. In verse 23, " Meekness, Temperance, against such things " There is no law!." These are the things that rule the Kingdom of God, and there are no laws to govern them, they ARE the way to live. When everyone lives like that, no laws are needed.

And its just a marvel that God will place these superior ways into the very consciousness, ( or heart), of a human being. These ways ARE how we recognize a true believer, NOT their knowledge. These incredible ways are how I know I have a very long way to go, before I say I am chosen of God. Oh I am called for sure, but I have not advanced beyond that. My own behavior reveals to me where I am. As you can see, I can be disagreeing.

Anyhow, peace on your journey.

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