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John 8:12-58 - How Jesus answered His accusers
cheekie3:
All -
Perhaps we are not that far apart after all.
If our understanding is based of these two terms:
1. begotten
2. came from
Then, if the root meanings are these:
1. to procreate or generate (offspring)
2. originate
Do we have 'create' or 'procreate'; and is it all about Fatherhood?
Were my own sons created, or procreated? Did the Life in me, create, or procreate, the Life in my own sons?
Genesis makes a distinction between 'create' and 'make' - in that He first 'created' and then he 'made' - so if The Son was also created, why do The Holy Scriptures use 'begotten' and 'came from'?
Maybe, it is as simple, or as complicated, as:
Our Beloved Creator (The Father) is so awesome that His sons and daughters cannot behold His Glory; and that is why He sent forth His Beloved Son, to create all things, including His spirit messengers (angels), and mankind - and then, eventually His Beloved Son revealed Our Heavenly Father to us?
Then, when Our Beloved Creator (The Son) became a Man of flesh and blood (but without ever sinning, as The Father is always with Him), and died, and washed all of our sins away with His shed blood - He remained a Man, with all the fullness of His Father - to be Our Mediator, to Save us all?
So what is the endgame, when His Plan is fully fulfilled for all His Creation - and mankind are the glorious Sons of God? Will we see Him as He is? And Who is He? Is He Our God and Saviour, The Son embodied by The Father (in Glory), as a Man with a Spiritual Body, like we all will be? So then, will we be like Him, and see Him 'face to face'?
Warmest Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Psalm 22 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
A Cry of Anguish and a Song of Praise.
For the choir director; upon (a) Aijeleth Hashshahar. A Psalm of David.
1 My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? (b) Far from my deliverance are the words of my (c) groaning.
2 O my God, I cry by day, but You do not answer; And by night, but (d) I have no rest.
3 Yet You are holy, O You who (e) are enthroned upon the praises of Israel.
4 In You our fathers trusted; They trusted and You delivered them.
5 To You they cried out and were delivered; In You they trusted and were not (f) disappointed.
6 But I am a worm and not a man, A reproach of men and despised by the people.
7 All who see me (g) sneer at me; They (h) separate with the lip, they wag the head, saying,
8 “ (i) Commit yourself to the LORD; let Him deliver him; Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him.”
9 Yet You are He who brought me forth from the womb; You made me trust when upon my mother’s breasts.
10 Upon You I was cast from (j) birth; You have been my God from my mother’s womb.
11 Be not far from me, for (k) trouble is near; For there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have surrounded me; Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me.
13 They open wide their mouth at me, As a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It is melted within (l) me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And my tongue cleaves to my jaws; And You lay me (m) in the dust of death.
16 For dogs have surrounded me; (n) A band of evildoers has encompassed me; (o) They pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I can count all my bones. They look, they stare at me;
18 They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots.
19 But You, O LORD, be not far off; O You my help, hasten to my assistance.
20 Deliver my (p) soul from the sword, My only life from the (q) power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion’s mouth; From the horns of the wild oxen You answer me.
22 I will tell of Your name to my brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
23 You who fear the LORD, praise Him; All you (r) descendants of Jacob, glorify Him, And stand in awe of Him, all you (s) descendants of Israel.
24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Nor has He hidden His face from him; But when he cried to Him for help, He heard.
25 From You comes my praise in the great assembly; I shall pay my vows before those who fear Him.
26 The (t) afflicted will eat and be satisfied; Those who seek Him will praise the LORD. Let your heart live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, And all the families of the nations will worship before (u) You.
28 For the kingdom is the LORD’S And He rules over the nations.
29 All the (v) prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who (w) cannot keep his soul alive.
30 (x) Posterity will serve Him; It will be told of the Lord to the coming generation.
31 They will come and will declare His righteousness To a people who will be born, that He has performed it.
Footnotes:
a) Psalm 22:1 Lit the hind of the morning
b) Psalm 22:1 Or Why are You so far from helping me, and from the words of my groaning?
c) Psalm 22:1 Lit roaring
d) Psalm 22:2 Lit there is no silence for me
e) Psalm 22:3 Or inhabit the praises
f) Psalm 22:5 Or ashamed
g) Psalm 22:7 Or mock me
h) Psalm 22:7 I.e. make mouths at me
i) Psalm 22:8 Lit Roll; another reading is He committed himself
j) Psalm 22:10 Lit a womb
k) Psalm 22:11 Or distress
l) Psalm 22:14 Lit my inward parts
m) Psalm 22:15 Lit to
n) Psalm 22:16 Or An assembly
o) Psalm 22:16 Another reading is Like a lion, my...
p) Psalm 22:20 Or life
q) Psalm 22:20 Lit paw
r) Psalm 22:23 Lit seed
s) Psalm 22:23 Lit seed
t) Psalm 22:26 Or poor
u) Psalm 22:27 Some versions read Him
v) Psalm 22:29 Lit fat ones
w) Psalm 22:29 Or did not
x) Psalm 22:30 Lit A seed
Dave in Tenn:
George and all...by way of encouragement.
1. Jer 31:34 And they do not teach any more Each his neighbour, and each his brother, (not Ray, not Dennis, not me. nor anybody else) Saying, Know ye Jehovah, For they all know Me, from their least unto their greatest, An affirmation of Jehovah; For I pardon their iniquity, And of their sin I make mention no more
2. The heaven (collective mind) of the heavens (individual minds) cannot contain Him.
3. I feel after Him perchance I might find Him...though He is not far from any of us. For in Him we live, and move, and are.
I hope those three thoughts make you as happy, content, and humbled as they do me.
This is all His workmanship. We have no cause to glory. Jesus is Lord.
cheekie3:
Dave -
Thank you for sharing this; which I am sure, we all appreciate, and are humbled, and Blessed, by these wonderful Scriptures:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on October 13, 2017, 07:25:02 AM ---George and all...by way of encouragement.
1. Jer 31:34 And they do not teach any more Each his neighbour, and each his brother, (not Ray, not Dennis, not me. nor anybody else) Saying, Know ye Jehovah, For they all know Me, from their least unto their greatest, An affirmation of Jehovah; For I pardon their iniquity, And of their sin I make mention no more
2. The heaven (collective mind) of the heavens (individual minds) cannot contain Him.
3. I feel after Him perchance I might find Him...though He is not far from any of us. For in Him we live, and move, and are.
I hope those three thoughts make you as happy, content, and humbled as they do me.
This is all His workmanship. We have no cause to glory. Jesus is Lord.
--- End quote ---
We all yearn for His Truths; and for Him to be pleased with us, in all that we are, and think. and do.
Warmest Regards.
George
Dennis Vogel:
This God the Father and Jesus are one-in-the-same is nonsense as far as I am concerned. But there are some sincere and well meaning people here and that should be respected.
So even though my life is about as messed up as possible at this time I will find the time in the next few days and address this issue here.
But in the meantime someone please explain how God the Father died. How did that work?
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