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John 8:12-58 - How Jesus answered His accusers
santgem:
God the Father and Jesus are not one-and-the-same, When?
1. When Jesus is the Yahweh/Jehovah/I AM/WORD
2. When Jesus was born of a virgin
so my question is when they are not one - and- the- same, in number 1 or number 2?
of course, i prefer no.2
Dennis Vogel:
When you are 'begotten' you come into existence. John 1:18:
(ASV) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(CLV) God no one has ever seen. The only-begotten God, Who is in the bosom of the Father, He unfolds Him."
(Diaglott-NT) God no one has seen ever; the only-begotten son, that being in the bosom of the Father, he has made known.
(KJV) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(Rotherham) No one, hath seen, God, at any time: An Only Begotten God, The One existing within the bosom of the Father, He, hath interpreted him .
(YLT) God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father--he did declare.
cheekie3:
santgem -
Regarding your statement below - that The Father and The Son were not the same, only when The Son was born of a virgin:
--- Quote from: santgem on October 15, 2017, 11:33:57 AM ---God the Father and Jesus are not one-and-the-same, When?
1. When Jesus is the Yahweh/Jehovah/I AM/WORD
2. When Jesus was born of a virgin
so my question is when they are not one - and- the- same, in number 1 or number 2?
of course, i prefer no.2
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For clarity, please confirm if you are stating that as of now, 'The Father and The Son' are one and the same.
Warmest Regards.
George
santgem:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on October 16, 2017, 10:49:38 AM ---santgem -
Regarding your statement below - that The Father and The Son were not the same, only when The Son was born of a virgin:
--- Quote from: santgem on October 15, 2017, 11:33:57 AM ---God the Father and Jesus are not one-and-the-same, When?
1. When Jesus is the Yahweh/Jehovah/I AM/WORD
2. When Jesus was born of a virgin
so my question is when they are not one - and- the- same, in number 1 or number 2?
of course, i prefer no.2
--- End quote ---
For clarity, please confirm if you are stating that as of now, 'The Father and The Son' are one and the same.
Warmest Regards.
George
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Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me. Isa 43:10
(Num. 12:6-8) – “He said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. 7 "Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8 With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses ?"
and I have turned aside My hands, and thou hast seen My back parts, and My face is not seen.' Exo 33:23
There are hundreds of Scriptures that says there is only one God and there is no God besides Him.There are also Scriptures that says Jesus and the Father are One, and the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwelleth in Jesus.
A voice is crying -- in a wilderness -- Prepare ye the way of Jehovah, Make straight in a desert a highway to our God. Isa. 40:3 'A voice of one calling in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, straight make ye his paths,' –Mark 1:3
'Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah; Deuteronomy 6:4
"But Jesus answered them, 'My Father is working until now, and I work.' So then, on account of this saying, the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, not only because He had loosed the Sabbath, but also because He had called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God." (John 5:17-18)
"I and My Father are ONE" John 10:30
1Ti 3:16"........God was manifest in the flesh...
Col 2:9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
so what's next? It is through, through and nothing but through Jesus that we will hear, communicate, feel, love, touch, sing , see God the Father. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Jhn 14:9
And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. Rev 22:4
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 1Co 13:12
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jo 3:2
As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness. Psa 17:15
For clarity, please confirm if you are stating that as of now, 'The Father and The Son' are one and the same
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Ti 2:5
They are One God, i repeat When Jesus is (Yahweh-Jehovah/I AM/WORD/LORD) they are one and the same; As of Now, they are Father and Son and they are One God.
cheekie3:
Pamela -
--- Quote from: Musterseed on October 14, 2017, 11:08:41 PM ---1 Corth:24...Then comes the end, when He delivers the Kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule,every authority and power.25, For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.26, The last enemy to be destroyed is death.27, for God has put all things
In subjection under His feet.But when it says all things are put in subjection, it is plain that He is excepted who put all things in subjection under Him.28,When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to Him who put all things in subjection under Him, that God may be All in All.
Can someone explain this scripture to me please. I understand up to vs.27 and then my brain blew up.😳 Thank you.
Glory be to Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Glory
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Regarding verse 28 of 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, I understand that these verses reference Psalm 110:1 and Psalm 8:6:
Psalm 110:1 Modern English Version (MEV):
The Lord said to my lord, “Sit at My right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”
Psalm 8:6 Modern English Version (MEV):
You have given him dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet,
Please note the below, Phillips, NIBEV, ICB, GW and EXB versions:
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Phillips:
24-27 Then, and not till then, authority and power, hands over the kingdom to God the Father. Christ’s reign will and must continue until every enemy has been conquered. The last enemy of all to be destroyed is death itself. The scripture says: ‘He has put all things under his feet’. But in the term “all things” it is quite obvious that God, who brings them all under subjection to Christ, is himself excepted.
28 Nevertheless, when everything created has been made obedient to God, then shall the Son acknowledge himself subject to God the Father, who gave the Son power over all things. Thus, in the end, shall God be wholly and absolutely God.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 NIBEV:
15:24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to Yahweh the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
15:25 For the Messiah must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 15:26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.
15:27 For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that Yahweh who put all things under Yah’shua is excepted.
15:28 Now when all things are made subject to Yahweh, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that Yahweh may be all in all.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 International Children’s Bible (ICB):
24 Then the end will come. Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers. And he will give the kingdom to God the Father. 25 Christ must rule until God puts all enemies under Christ’s control. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed will be death. 27 The Scripture says, “God put all things under his control.”[a] When it says that “all things” are put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself. God is the one putting everything under Christ’s control.
28 After everything has been put under Christ, then the Son himself will be put under God. God is the One who put all things under Christ. And Christ will be put under God, so that God will be the complete ruler over everything.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW):
24 Then the end will come. Christ will hand over the kingdom to God the Father as he destroys every ruler, authority, and power.
25 Christ must rule until God has put every enemy under his control. 26 The last enemy he will destroy is death. 27 Clearly, God has put everything under Christ’s authority. When God says that everything has been put under Christ’s authority, this clearly excludes God, since God has put everything under Christ’s authority.
28 But when God puts everything under Christ’s authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, since God had put everything under the Son’s authority. Then God will be in control of everything.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Expanded Bible (EXB):
24 and then the end will come. At that time Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers, and he will hand over the kingdom to God the Father.
25 Christ must rule until he puts all enemies under his control;
26 The last enemy to be destroyed will be death.
27 The Scripture says that God put all things under his control. When it says “all things” are under him, it is clear this does not include the One who put everything under his control.
28 After everything has been put under the Son, then he will put himself under God, who had put all things under him. Then God will be the complete ruler over everything.
Warmest Regards.
George
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