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Which Scriptures have been the hardest for us to understand
Dave in Tenn:
2Th 2:3 Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, because that Day will not come unless first comes the falling away, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2Th 2:4 the one opposing and exalting himself over everything being called God, or object of worship, so as for him "to sit in the temple of God" as God, setting forth himself, that he is God. Dan. 11:36; Eze. 28:2
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness already is working, only he is holding back now, until it comes out of the midst.
2Th 2:8 And then "the Lawless One" will be revealed, "whom" "the Lord" "will consume" "by the spirit of His mouth," and will bring to nought by the brightness of His presence. Isa. 11:4
2Th 2:9 His (the Lawless One) coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and miraculous signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 and in all deceit of unrighteousness in those being lost, because they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved.
2Th 2:11 And because of this, God will send to them a working of error, for them to believe the lie,
2Th 2:12 that all may be judged, those not believing the truth, but who have delighted in unrighteousness.
Isa 11:1 And a Shoot goes out from the stump of Jesse, and a Branch will bear fruit out of his roots.
Isa 11:2 And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest on Him; He will have the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and power, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Isa 11:3 And He is made to breathe in the fear of Jehovah. But He shall not judge by the sight of His eyes, nor decide by the hearing of His ears.
Isa 11:4 But He shall judge the poor in righteousness, and shall decide rightly for the meek of the earth. And He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, and He shall cause the wicked to die with the breath of His lip.
Yes, I think it is a quite specific (but broadly experienced) "truth" he is talking about here. If the first few verses of 2 Thessalonians 2 do not now nor ever have applied to you, then I don't know what to think. We don't live in the same spiritual universe.
2Th 2:9 His coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and miraculous signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 and in all deceit of unrighteousness in those being lost, because they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved.
Where in there is the "receiving the love of the truth" contrasting anything other than those things that preceded that statement, "in order for them to be saved."?
I have thousands of curiosities, and things I don't know. I have multiplied thousands of things I don't even KNOW I don't know. Where in all of those is the "deceit of unrighteousness"? Faulty opinions? Haphazard history? Color Blindness? Do I really need a love of all that kind of "truth" in order to be saved? Sure, its cool to learn new things--provided knowledge doesn't puff up--AND that the "new thing" is better than the old thing. And I reckon I might can be "saved" from all manner of petty ignorance, but so what?!?!?! Ye strain out a gnat and swallow a camel?
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Ray on this verse and others like it.
https://bible-truths.com/lake14.html
Tell me what you think.
John from Kentucky:
Dave,
Yes Ray understood. The Beast, the Man of Lawlessness, is each and everyone of us. It is Jesus Who saves us by killing this Beast within us, then coming and living within our innermost being, our heart.
That is why we are not saved by our works, but by the Grace of God Who brings about the works of Jesus within us.
John
lareli:
I love truth and hate and despise every lie. My faulty opinions?? Well I do not hold very tightly to my opinions because I understand that opinions are not truth. I don’t care much for my own opinions and I don’t want to take them too seriously.
Haphazard history? I stand by what I said in my first comment in this thread. Knowing that history is written by mere men, It’s not ignorant to question any historical claim. History shapes our world view. I try not to hold too tightly to my worldview for this reason.
Color blindness? Funny, I am actually color blind to a degree. Colors are only perceptions.
Jesus is the truth. I want Jesus in every aspect of my life and worldview.
Dave in Tenn:
I've seen people whose "love for the truth" led them directly into a pack of lies. They'd have been better off ignorant, because now they think they see.
octoberose:
I don't know of anyone who teaches what Ray does in this matter. That is said with amazement and trying to understand it- not criticism. I still don't understand how he came to it. I can read about John standing at the sea, hearing a voice behind him. 666 is the number of mankind, not a man. And the beast is me. I could have read those verses my whole life and not come to the understanding Ray did. I hope I would have eventually noticed a few things such as we will have great tribulation not The Great Tribulation .
From the LOF-
"Let no man [ 'let not any person,' RSV, 'Let no ONE...'] deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a FALLING AWAY first, and that man of sin [Gk: the lawless one] be revealed, the son of perdition [Gk: the one destined for destruction] . Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God [a god] , or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God"
Are we to come to the understanding that the verse above is how Everyone eventually will come to know Christ and come to bow before Him when they fall away from worshipping themselves? If so, that makes some kind of sense to me.
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