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Which Scriptures have been the hardest for us to understand
Dave in Tenn:
No, that's pretty much the "gospel" of my church, too. The "one" I provided was just for contrast.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on October 31, 2017, 04:02:24 PM ---I've seen people whose "love for the truth" led them directly into a pack of lies. They'd have been better off ignorant, because now they think they see.
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But this is a necessary part of the process for the chosen few.. isn’t it?
lareli:
Sorry for switching back and forth between topics..
Dave in Tenn:
I put "love of the truth" in quotations not because I was quoting scripture or you. I put it there because I don't believe for a second that everyone who claims to have a love for the truth actually DOES. Some seem to have a love for some kind of gnostic "wisdom", and/or a pet doctrine, and/or controversy, and/or spiritual pride, and/or your basic pride of life, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes. Besides, some people LEAVE the truth when they are looking for it. I've both seen it and lived it. You'll have to have already decided if this description fits you. Hopefully, it does not, and I did not post it believing it did.
I've already said I don't think that verse is relevant to every fact, factoid, or viewpoint on every subject. While I might be wrong, I can't see a human being ever having the "truth" on every subject in any depth that is not just as likely to be error at worst, or falling-short at best. This is a huge and complicated world. John 1:1-3 is my world-view. The "delusion" that Paul is talking about here is a spiritual delusion, not (simply) a factual one. I don't believe God sent a strongly working "lack-of-education".
FALLING AWAY is a necessary part of the process for the chosen few. But nobody will know they have until they look back. Spiritually RETURNING is also a necessary part of the process.
I don't encourage people to do the worst they can in order that the best happens. He has already decided in whom the best will happen first. I do try to encourage those in whom the worst they can do has already happened that this is not the end of the story.
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Let me put my mod hat on for a minute on a broader subject.
This forum certainly doesn't exist to thwart anybody's search for truth on any subject. At the same time, it doesn't exist to aide anybody in their search for truth on any subject not covered in the materials. And the forum itself (and especially its members) did not come here to be either allies with, or audience for every line of alleged truth. I would never have joined if that was expected of me. Expect blow-back, sooner or later, with or without diplomacy. :)
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: largeli on November 01, 2017, 06:18:41 PM ---Sorry for switching back and forth between topics..
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Not a problem. Sometimes things morph into other topics and that's okay. But things can get difficult when the original post contains several topics. Better to create new topics for each unrelated question/item.
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