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Which Scriptures have been the hardest for us to understand
octoberose:
--- Quote from: largeli on November 01, 2017, 04:52:27 PM --- The GOOD NEWS isn't "if you're a good christian, and do the right things, you can go to heaven".
Was that the good news according to your church Dave?
We have had different “church” backgrounds and experiences. The Good News as it was presented in virtually every church I’ve been to is that “you don’t have to be good, and you don’t have to do the right things.. just believe in Jesus and accept His forgiveness and you can go to heaven.” People accept this “good news” and continue to live their lives as if they will never be judged. We were taught that our belief in Jesus meant we will bypass the judgment.
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OH, that was the church we went to for 38 years. They would not tell you that, but it's certainly the way they acted. You know the whole, show me your faith without works and I'll show you mine with works?
Even the demons believe and shutter. Yeah, that was us. Years of it.
A lot of wisdom in all that you wrote Dave, so thank you. Personal Pocket Savior - good one- sad but true.
lareli:
Good posts Dave. Clears up a lot.
lareli:
I can't see a human being ever having the "truth" on every subject in any depth that is not just as likely to be error at worst, or falling-short at best. This is a huge and complicated world. John 1:1-3 is my world-view. The "delusion" that Paul is talking about here is a spiritual delusion, not (simply) a factual one. I don't believe God sent a strongly working "lack-of-education".
I wonder if a love of truth would cause one to know less instead of more?
Presuming to nothing except Christ crucified? Or presuming to know nothing except what the Holy Spirit has revealed to you?
Personally, I am more and more sure of scriptural/spiritual things and less and less sure of almost everything else.
Dave in Tenn:
Here's something from Paul that bears on this part of the discussion. Though he's talking in context about "eating and drinking", surely there is wisdom here for those "eating" and "drinking" the knowledge available in the world.
Rom 14:22 (KJV) Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
(I'd look that up in several translations, because there is a difference in "tone" between them. Here's my stab at it).
You have your own belief on a matter? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that doesn't prove himself faulty in what he approves.
Get happy. Be happy. Don't be unhappy any more than you have to be.
Maybe even without knowing it, this is a part of the wisdom in the rules and purpose of the forum. I wasn't there.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on November 03, 2017, 08:31:30 PM ---Here's something from Paul that bears on this part of the discussion. Though he's talking in context about "eating and drinking", surely there is wisdom here for those "eating" and "drinking" the knowledge available in the world.
Rom 14:22 (KJV) Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
(I'd look that up in several translations, because there is a difference in "tone" between them. Here's my stab at it).
You have your own belief on a matter? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that doesn't prove himself faulty in what he approves.
Get happy. Be happy. Don't be unhappy any more than you have to be.
Maybe even without knowing it, this is a part of the wisdom in the rules and purpose of the forum. I wasn't there.
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Dave these words mean more to me than you know.
Thanks.
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