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That ‘ungodly’ fruit
Wanda:
Very sad Bob, I was them once. I'm blessed to share in your wisdom, thank you.
It reminds me of the haves and have-nots.
Psalm 49:2-12
2 All you haves and have-nots, All together now: listen.
3 I set plainspoken wisdom before you, my heart-seasoned understandings of life.
4 I fine-tuned my ear to the sayings of the wise, I solve life's riddle with the help of a harp.
5 So why should I fear in bad times, hemmed in by enemy malice,
6 Shoved around by bullies, demeaned by the arrogant rich?
7 Really! There's no such thing as self-rescue, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
8 The cost of rescue is beyond our means, and even then it doesn't guarantee
9 Life forever, or insurance against the Black Hole.
10 Anyone can see that the brightest and best die, wiped out right along with fools and dunces.
11 They leave all their prowess behind, move into their new home, The Coffin, The cemetery their permanent address. And to think they named counties after themselves!
12 We aren't immortal. We don't last long. Like our dogs, we age and weaken. And die.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: largeli on December 08, 2017, 11:52:05 AM ---Had an email exchange with an old church friend of mine who now pastors a church. I was bringing up some basic questions about Christian doctrine and in the course of one of his replies to me he said something like “if Adam hadn’t eaten of that ungodly fruit..”
The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They think it’s ungodly.
You guys have any thoughts on that?
--- End quote ---
You can talk to him once of twice but after that you are casting pearls before swine.
Ray has a lot to say about trying to convince anyone of anything, especially a pastor.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 13, 2017, 12:42:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: largeli on December 08, 2017, 11:52:05 AM ---Had an email exchange with an old church friend of mine who now pastors a church. I was bringing up some basic questions about Christian doctrine and in the course of one of his replies to me he said something like “if Adam hadn’t eaten of that ungodly fruit..”
The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They think it’s ungodly.
You guys have any thoughts on that?
--- End quote ---
You can talk to him once of twice but after that you are casting pearls before swine.
Ray has a lot to say about trying to convince anyone of anything, especially a pastor.
--- End quote ---
Ya you’re right.
I was questioning my own motives over the course of our exchanges. I really didn’t want to be that guy who tries to convince someone to change their beliefs.. I feel gross just thinking about it.
Initially I was just responding to an offer he put up on Facebook. He posted one of his sermons and asked people to give it a listen and he said he’d love to talk to anyone who wanted to discuss the topic. The topic was “why go to church?” and I figured I’d oblige, so I emailed him and we began to discuss why I dont go to church anymore.
The church we went to together was not a “Hell” preaching church and I honestly wasn’t even sure if my friend believed in “Hell”. That’s partly why I wanted to talk with him. I remember being told about “Hell” as a kid in a different church but I’d never heard it preached as an adult.
After a couple exchanges, I did learn that this friend did believe in “Hell” but reluctantly so. He follows the liberal style of Christianity that we both were accustomed to in our old church, so he doesn’t teach or preach it and he doesn’t give it much thought either... that’s kinda the topic I’m chewing on in this thread.. they (Christians) don’t think about how much their doctrines are not scriptural.
I’ve been thinking about how church has a culture of discouraging questions or independent thinking apart from the group. And how believing that the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is ungodly, factors in to the culture of not seeking knowledge and not questioning authority.
Dennis Vogel:
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Ricky:
Dennis I have a question for that one, bible says God respects no man, how is it then He can give anybody this wisdom and not everyone. Bible clearly shows He respects some people over others. This pastors word tell me he is mad at God for something.
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