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Paul,Apostle of Christ
Dave in Tenn:
I'm not going to be "relieved" when I'm dead. I'm going to be dead. "Suffering" is only for the living. "Relief" is only for the living.
The living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing.
http://bible-truths.com/death.htm
Wanda:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on March 20, 2018, 05:35:28 PM ---I'm not going to be "relieved" when I'm dead. I'm going to be dead. "Suffering" is only for the living. "Relief" is only for the living.
The living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing.
http://bible-truths.com/death.htm
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Thanks for the link Dave, very encouraging.
I don't know anyone here on BT that would disagree with you on this truth Dave. The welcome relief, would be for the living, who endured the suffering right along with the one who suffered. The dead person's spirit is returned to the father, thus they are being relieved of their suffering.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Wanda:
--- Quote from: ZekeSr on March 20, 2018, 04:38:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Wanda on March 20, 2018, 03:39:53 PM ---Thanks Dave, great perspective. My own experiences with much loss, as well as Gods truths, have influenced my thinking on death and it's place in his ultimate plan. I tend to view the suffering as the evil and death being a welcome relief. Maybe I need to seek out mental help
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You don't need help, Wanda. Over the period of a decade, I watched my brother deteriorate from a healthy and strong individual into a bed ridden, unable to communicate, tube fed, frozen stiff slug before he died of Parkinson's disease. Death may be the final enemy, but it can be a welcome relief with the sure knowledge that the awakening will come. I miss my brother every day, and sometimes it hurts me to tears, but I'm glad he sleeps. I know he is better off for the time being.
Mike
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I feel your pain Mike. Just to be clear though, I was interjecting a wee bit of humor about seeking mental help.I've always been considered a little abinormal by some, for my unorthodox views on many issues.☺
Musterseed:
Wanda, Dave, Mike
Thankyou all so much for your comforting and wise words.
There is so much suffering all around me and I know it has to be this way.
But when it’s your own it’s much harder to deal with. Sadness envelops me.
All my trust is in the Lord and He will see me and my loved ones through this trial. He
always has. His will be done. I love all of you. In Christ, Pamela
lareli:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on March 14, 2018, 05:25:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: largeli on March 14, 2018, 10:29:16 AM ---Is it even possible to progress at all without discerning between good and evil?
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Discerning BETWEEN good and evil is actually the easy part. It can be "done" by the heathen, the godless, and by any spiritual "minor".
Gen_2:16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Eating you may eat of every tree in the garden;
Gen_2:17 but of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you may not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, dying you shall die.
The Knowledge of both GOOD and EVIL was in the fruit of the tree. There isn't the fruit of the knowledge of evil on one branch, and the fruit of the knowledge of good on the other. When Adam ate, he ate the knowledge of them both in the same fruit. You can't have one without the other.
Paul put it this way:
Heb_5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Both good and evil. Both.
This can't be done by the heathen, the godless, and by spiritual "minors". "Heb 5:13 ...for everyone partaking of milk is without experience in the Word of Righteousness, for he is an infant." They may "know" their milk is "good" and may even "know" that other "milk" is evil, but that's the limit of their "knowledge". And it's difficult at best to talk to them like you would "them that are of full age."
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Was thinking about the topic.. discerning between good and evil.
I think most people discern between better and worse only. I think discernment between good and evil is not something many can do. I think discernment between better and worse masquerades as discernment between good and evil.
Just a thought I had and didn’t want to start another thread.
Never saw the movie by the way. I did see Jurassic Workd with my daughter last weekend though. Fun movie.
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