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New Heavens and New Earth
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: yello62 on August 22, 2018, 03:58:45 PM ---and it make sense that if there are many ages, they are makred off by something, whether it be called time or not.
there is a d.j. here i. chicago that uses the phrase “it’s great to be alive”. when thinking about what The Father may have in store for us in the comings eons, whether they be time based, or not, makes me burst with that sentiment some times. aren‘t we all blessed, and isn’t it great to be alive?
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For some it's great to be alive - But for me I'm more than ready for this to be over.
Wanda:
--- Quote ---For some it's great to be alive - But for me I'm more than ready for this to be over
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Amen to that.
In this life, time is a real kill joy for the most part, we are slaves to the consraints of it.. From the moment we're born we begin to die, second by second, time is running out, and yet, it still keeps going, never takes a break, such a perplexing phenomenon. Most everything we do involves a race Against it. I personally see time as being oppressive.
God is not bound by time he transends it
Psalm 90:4
4 For A thousand years in your sight
are but as yesterday when it is past,
or as ca watch in the night.
His perspective on time is far different from ours.
Psalm 102:12
12 But you, O Lord, are enthroned forever;
you ARE remembered throughout all generations.
The Lord does not count time as we do. He is above and outside of the sphere of time. God sees all of eternity’s past and eternity’s future. The time that passes on earth is of no consequence from God’s timeless perspective. A second is no different from an eon; a billion years pass like seconds to the eternal God.
God is spirit in the realm of timelessness, rather than flesh in the sphere of time. God is even beyond eternity. And this is where I will be one day, free from the oppressive constraints of time, where time has no power.
My answer is yes, time will pass differently for everyone.
yello62:
dennis, as paul said, the sufferings of this present evil age cannot be compared to the things that are to come. trust me, i am ready for the next age. my physical health has deteriorated terribly over the past five years. i am isolated from most things because of my health. i am in jeapordy of losing the job that pays for the insurance benefits that i desperately need. i am in real jeapordy of losing my left foot to amputation. i understand that the experience of this age is not ideal, trust me. i am speaking in the sense that firstly, the suffering that we experience now will be offset by the joy we will experience when we are transformed, and secondly, and more importantly in my mind, we have the declared word that says that Christ will bring all things in heaven and earth into submission, death will be destroyed, and The Father will be all-in-all. to have been given the breath of life, no matter our experience of it, is to be blessed, and this, it is great to be (alive).
Wanda:
--- Quote ---Galatians 4:3, 9: "Thus we also, when we were minors, were enslaved under the elements of the world." "Yet now, knowing God, yet rather being known by God, how are you turning back again to the infirm and poor elements for which you want to slave again anew? And in
Colossians 2:8, 20: "Beware that no one shall be despoiling you through philosophy and empty seduction, in accord with human tradition, in accord with the elements of the world, and not in accord with Christ." "If, then, you died together with Christ from the elements of the world, why, as living in the world, are you subject to decrees."
And Hebrews 5:12: "For when also, because of the time, you ought to be teachers, you have need again of one to teach you what are the rudimentary elements of the oracles of God, and you have come to have need of milk, and not of solid nourishment."
All of these elements have to be destroyed in order for all to be all in God. The Earth and the heavens do not have to be destroyed, as Wanda pointed out from Genesis 8:21. Fire is always used to purge, cleanse, each of us will be salted with fire (Mark 949), our God is a consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29). We are told that we who believe are a New Creation in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17). At present we, the believers, are being purged of these elements as we are being formed in His image. There will come a time when all will be purged of these elements, those in the heavens, on the Earth, and under the Earth.
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When God came as a fire upon Mount Sinai, it was said in Deut. 4:24, “The Lord your God is a consuming fire.”
In Exodus 3 we see even though the bush was on fire it didn't literally burn.
. 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.
This consuming fire is the same fire, that will be used for the time when the new heavens, the new earth, and the new Jerusalem, will essentially consume or devour all that is old. Is this not the purpose of the lake of fire, which affects both heaven and earth?
ML:
Wanda, wouldn't that also apply to our fiery trials?
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